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Unfortunately Mikey, it's actually not hard to stand out visually in the carpet cleaning crowd....

Lose your comb over if you're balding.. Get a haircut if you got lots of hair. Shave the freaking goatee that was "in" 18 years ago....if you're a hipster and must have a beard to show how unique you are (just like everyone else is, so sorry hipsters you all look alike) at least have it in a decent form.

Put on pants and not jeans...wear shoes (none athletic type shoes but borderline dress shoes)

And you will get this so many times upon opening the door to your arrival: "Uummmm you are the carpet cleaner? You don't look like them..some of those I'm afraid to let it"
Wow.
I've practically violated each and every single one of Zee's rules of the carpet cleaning universe.
It's a miracle I'm still in business.

Have we ever seen or experienced the trashy guy walking in the Ferrari dealership and wanting to pay the same price as he would pay for a small Ford Fiesta?

No.
But I have seen them pull out a wallet the thickness of a book, pay cash for the Ferrari and drive out.

Am I hanging out in the wrong neighborhood?
 
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See what a success you could be if you weren't holding yourself back.;)

Stay out of the Ferrari dealerships. Save some of that money for your brother from a different mother. :winky:
 

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Ofer thats where I thought zee was going with that too.
Around here some of the weathier people I know dont show it. Just the opposite. They drive average pick ups and wear jeans and flamnel shirts.

I just want a van thats not all rusty. Someday!
 

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So how does me saying to dress a little better -because you want to differentiate yourself from the "norm"-, turn into, how some so called rich guy wears jeans and flannel?

Ofer, feel free to "violate" my "rules". They're not rules just some things that I noticed upon changing from the way I used to be. :lol:

You can be successful wearing a banana hammock and Crocs...in the right environment...I guess depends where you are...San Gayfrisc might be a good testing place for that? :lol: :lol:

I used to run an electronics and multimedia store in a not so great neighborhood. Bunch of prostitutes on the streets and pimps all over and of course their clientele. We could wear anything and not stand out...and our best customers were the pimps and prostys because they always had a bunch of money and we could sell them anything.
 

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If it is the typical arrangement like Cole's subs had, he makes 30% of the gross, which means he is netting about 10% after his expenses. It's a good deal, but not for him.
That would depend on how much actual money he is actually netting..... in the days when i had Pro Carpet: A good sub used to bring in $900-$1300 a day. He made $350-$500 a day. subrtract expenses: $270-$400
No phone calls, no scheduling, no headaches- just cleaning. For some guys that works. For others it doesn't.....
 
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I used to run an electronics and multimedia store in a not so great neighborhood. Bunch of prostitutes on the streets and pimps all over and of course their clientele. We could wear anything and not stand out...and our best customers were the pimps and prostys because they always had a bunch of money and we could sell them anything.


I call :bull:........... You're like 6'7" and talk funny....... You do stick out wherever you go.......:lol:
 
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Incorrect Nate...where I come from, I'm not considered too tall. Fact, I wasn't even among the taller guys in the army units I was with.
 
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Just razzin ya Zee..... My pops is 6'7" and sticks out like a sore thumb here..........Oh the big tall white guy is your dad?!? Yeah, I can't deny that.....:icon_razz:
 
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That would depend on how much actual money he is actually netting..... in the days when i had Pro Carpet: A good sub used to bring in $900-$1300 a day. He made $350-$500 a day. subrtract expenses: $270-$400
No phone calls, no scheduling, no headaches- just cleaning. For some guys that works. For others it doesn't.....
That's bullshit Greg. In order to legally subcontract for you (for tax purposes) they had to be their own company, which meant they paid all operational expenses; equipment and upkeep, truck and upkeep and repairs, insurance, damages, business licenses and fees and taxes, food, clothes, etc. and everything involved in processing the work. Their actual net was about 1/3 to 1/2 of the less than 1/3 of gross you paid them Greg, after ALL their expenses. And in order to maintain that 900-1300/day load they had to scramble and upsell and bait and switch and take enormous crap along the way every day. No wonder you felt they would burn out and not last 20 years. It's a wonder they could last 5 years of that. That's not carpet cleaning, that's a recipe for bankruptcy and depression.
 
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That's bullshit Greg. In order to legally subcontract for you (for tax purposes) they had to be their own company, which meant they paid all operational expenses; equipment and upkeep, truck and upkeep and repairs, insurance, damages, business licenses and fees and taxes, food, clothes, etc. and everything involved in processing the work. Their actual net was about 1/3 to 1/2 of the less than 1/3 of gross you paid them Greg, after ALL their expenses. And in order to maintain that 900-1300/day load they had to scramble and upsell and bait and switch and take enormous crap along the way every day. No wonder you felt they would burn out and not last 20 years. It's a wonder they could last 5 years of that. That's not carpet cleaning, that's a recipe for bankruptcy and depression.

To make it worse for this guy he buys all his chemicals from the contractor against his pay. He also rents his ninja from him. He was basically an indentured servant. I wanted to enlighten him but he was happy.

Gene
 

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:redface: That's how I dress and I drive an old 2003 Tundra with a cracked windshield and broken radio.

Just ask Lockhart, it bothers him that I buy new trucks for work and drive a hoopty myself. Butt it does have a new battery. :lol:
I feel better about my 2004 Dodge Ram
 
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I passed by Chavez's house the other day. Sure didnt look like a tundra to me. I think there was a video crew on site as well. They were filming an episode for "lifestyles of the rich and famous".
 
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That's bullshit Greg. In order to legally subcontract for you (for tax purposes) they had to be their own company, which meant they paid all operational expenses; equipment and upkeep, truck and upkeep and repairs, insurance, damages, business licenses and fees and taxes, food, clothes, etc. and everything involved in processing the work. Their actual net was about 1/3 to 1/2 of the less than 1/3 of gross you paid them Greg, after ALL their expenses. And in order to maintain that 900-1300/day load they had to scramble and upsell and bait and switch and take enormous crap along the way every day. No wonder you felt they would burn out and not last 20 years. It's a wonder they could last 5 years of that. That's not carpet cleaning, that's a recipe for bankruptcy and depression.


I guess you are an authority because that's the operation your family ran back in the day ?:razz:

Any business owner has expenses there pal. But you clearly don't know how to use a calculator? 1/3 of the gross they received? Laughable suggestion. Damn- you really are a shitty businessman aren't you? Learn to better manage your expenses?:hopeless::hopeless::hopeless::hopeless:

Insurance for a O&O doing those numbers runs about $800-$1500 a year. Entry level truckmount- $8-$10k. = $250 a month payment. Van- $20k - $400 a month.
4 jobs within 5-10 miles of each other? $40-$60 a day in fuel. maintenance: $200 a mo. major repairs - $1,500 a year ( reserves). Cell phone: $70 a month. Business license - $150 a year.
Taxes? after deductions, etc- maybe 20% - **S-corp owners take their pay from the corporation as dividend and avoid paying the 15.3% (7.65x2) for SS and medicare.....
food- ( not a business expense) - clothes-( we gave free shirts)- you have to wear pants anyways- NOT a business expense....

LOL I don't even do this anymore and I'm defending the model. The days of coupon discount carpet cleaning are way in my past..... BUT was a great business model for a VERY long time for me.
Several of the guys that used to contract from me still contact me asking me to do it again. They were starving- could'nt get work...... I've personally backed ( actually gifted) 5 of them in their own businesses and taught them how to obtain (NON-COUPON) work. 4 are doing fairly well. They NOW have the headache of scheduling, software expense, marketing, etc.... BUT can feed their families..... Even so - they STILL make less than when they contracted from me...

My experience was that smart cleaners subbed work for a few years until they got their own businesses established.....
There were about 12 that had exceeded the 10 year mark , 3 that had hit 15, and one that hit 20+
 

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To make it worse for this guy he buys all his chemicals from the contractor against his pay. He also rents his ninja from him. He was basically an indentured servant. I wanted to enlighten him but he was happy.

Gene
Ninja? you must have worked for Art's family at some point?
 

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I guess you are an authority because that's the operation your family ran back in the day ?:razz:

Any business owner has expenses there pal. But you clearly don't know how to use a calculator? 1/3 of the gross they received? Laughable suggestion. Damn- you really are a shitty businessman aren't you? Learn to better manage your expenses?:hopeless::hopeless::hopeless::hopeless:
Yet. Here we are. Your crap business model is toast. I'm still standing.
 

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