Spraying Covid disinfectants is ruining far more than your soul...

[Mikey P]

Watch the video or skim through it to get the gist of it but basically most of these disinfectants are of a pH high enough to cause serious damage to many types of floors

So who's going to be responsible down the line?

Pock marks on LVP is an easier fix than holes in your soul I'm afraid....

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I think most people don't know that disinfectants can cause signifcant damage to surfaces.

There are a lot of "quats" that are over 10 (some over 11) on the pH scale. Could you imagine spraying or fogging your hottest prespray or tile and grout cleaning product all over every surface in a room and leaving it there?

Other disinfectants contain chlorine based chemistry that can also be hard on finishes, metal, carpet and fabric dyes, as well as to skin.

Most of these products were designed to be spray applied to a surface, then rinsed off. Too many cleaners are spraying or fogging these materials and leaving them on the surface, where damage often follows.

I'm not condemning the application of disinfectants where they may do some good. What I am concerned about are the wrong products, used the wrong way, where the need really doesn't exist.

To be fair, the problem is the worst when in house maintenance staff are applying these products (sometimes daily) , causing damage, and leaving issues that you will have to deal with if and when you are called in to do cleaning of areas that have been repeatedly exposed to damaging chemistry.

 

[Desk Jockey]

We have trouble with surfaces developing a sticky residue after daily spraying. We have to hand clean with general purpose cleaner to remove the residue at least once a month.

Desks and tables feel tacky. The more you handle the tables it rubs off on your hands.

Some of it could be over application but we are spraying daily.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

We have trouble with surfaces developing a sticky residue after daily spraying. We have to hand clean with general purpose cleaner to remove the residue at least once a month.

Desks and tables feel tacky. The more you handle the tables it rubs off on your hands.

Some of it could be over application but we are spraying daily

We've seen lawsuits against cleaning companies where their kids have been burned by the residues of floor cleaning disinfectant fogged onto desks and chairs and not rinsed off.

 

[Mikey P]

he gets the middle seat...

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Another reason I've left most FB groups. Real science and caution gets shouted down and jeered by greedy and misguided characters.

That includes Mason's and SFS sadly.

 

[Cleanworks]

My older sister works in a RCMP station out in the prairies of Saskatchewan. They spray gkw daily. I have been telling her to leave when the spraying is going on and to let it settle before she comes back in. Never mind the floors, what is it doing to us. Ironically the people doing the spraying don't wear any protective gear. "It's safe", they say.

 

[srosen]

Contractors panicked and for a while there it looked like everyone was going to start spraying something as businesses slowed and spraying was an option for revenue. Supply and demand I guess. Funny how these things get a start reach a tipping point and then revert back to just Janitorial companies. Seems to have calmed down quite a bit now-

 

[Mikey P]

How about when restaurants spray your table with this crap and proceed to wipe it with a towle that's already soaked in more of it...?

 

[Cleanworks]

ow about when restaurants spray your table with this crap and proceed to wipe it with a Towle that's already soaked in more of it...?

Better than the dirty towel they normally use I guess.

 

[BIG WOOD]

I’m glad I never fell down the fogging path.

But this high ph crap has been going on for a long time.


Exterminators spraying their magic big killing juice in people’s home leaving behind that bleached out line all along the edges of the rooms. I don’t see any difference. It’s just as toxic. Only the exterminators have better defense lawyers than the broke janitors.

 

[JeffC]

Jim Mannes is a wealth of knowledge. We hope to talk with him about some other topics in the future. We're trying to keep them short. Maybe we can interview you Mikey in the future and you can tell us more about OP cleaning or another subject if you prefer. I realize after watching this video I really need to go on a diet and not stop moving around so much while I'm talking. Seeing yourself on video is a painful experience. LOL

 

[Cleanworks]

Jim Mannes is a wealth of knowledge. We hope to talk with him about some other topics in the future. We're trying to keep them short. Maybe we can interview you Mikey in the future and you can tell us more about OP cleaning or another subject if you prefer. I realize after watching this video I really need to go on a diet and not stop moving around so much while I'm talking. Seeing yourself on video is a painful experience. LOL

Good information. Confirms what a lot of us suspect.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Of the many things that surprised me about the pandemic, the one that surprised me the most is that the use of disinfectants rarely reassured people....it frightened them.

More than a few people who I talked to first hand, or whose stories I heard through cleaners second hand, had this very perceptive view (summed up in a quote, but they all essentially said this):

"You can't tell me that spraying everything I touch with a strong chemical over and over and over again is good for me!"

The pandemic has made people MORE chemophobic, not less.

 

[Desk Jockey]

I believe its getting better though. I had a law school professor last fall who had had cancer but beat it. She wore gloves, a mask and a shield, she wouldn't take anything directly from you. She wanted you to place it on the table, then she would pick it up.

I saw that professor last week picking up her lunch. She wasn't teaching in our building this semester. She didn't have her gloves or the shield anymore. Very pleasant and up beat, seemed like she had a better outlook.

Maybe she got vaccinated? Definitely a better disposition.

 

[Lonny]

Disinfectants are made to kill crap. Same as pesticides, just bigger crap. Most of the time they won't effectively do so without at least 10 MINUTES of dwell time. You ever see how thick it has to be applied to accomplish that lofty a dwell time? It isn't getting done at least 99% of the time. Most disinfecting is done to ease people's minds and germophobic fears.
The best solution is to keep yourself relatively healthy- exercise, diet, wash your freaking hands, and live a happy life.

 

[Mikey P]

I know one thing's for sure, I lost a lot of respect for many people in this industry who were bragging from the rooftops about how much money they were making spray and disinfectants.


Including our recently departed blowhard.

 

[Desk Jockey]

I know one thing's for sure, I lost a lot of respect for many people in this industry who were bragging from the rooftops about how much money they were making spray and disinfectants.


Including our recently departed blowhard.

Because they were delivering a service their clients wanted?

Or because of the rate they were charging for that service?

 

[Cleanworks]

Because they were delivering a service their clients wanted?

Or because of the rate they were charging for that service?

For me it was when they were bragging that they were making $600-$700 for 15 minutes of aimlessly spraying something around. Wasn't anyone on this board. Absolute customer rip off in my opinion.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Now that would be very disappointing. Low investment, even a good electrostatic sprayer isn't too bad. Most products for killing COVID are relatively cheap. It's not something hard to kill, other than it's a moving object.

Tech time should be a chunk of your expense but the killer and what you need to be compensated for is training and pollution insurance.

Liability is extreme and needs to be a recovered component of pricing.

To me the hard part would have been you killed it but as soon as the surface is touched its contaminated again. The value would be in repeated visits. Not a one shot cross you fingers. Setting up a twice daily plan would probably have been the best approach

 

[Mikey P]

Because they were delivering a service their clients wanted?

ummmm..

They were NOT removing Covid19 from the home or business location.

But insulating that they were.










Perpetual middle seat.

 

[Numero Uno]

No problems so far here at work...

 

[Hack Attack]

one of my staff went disenfectant loco with the amount she was mopping in bathrooms

took fair bit of scrubbing to get the residue off, I started diluting her "concentrate"

 

[Kenny Hayes]

I have sprayed all year as you know for my customers just like Richard. I sprayed multiple times a day on Sundays. My floors are trashed everywhere, but not from my spraying. They’re trashed from hand sanitizer splashed all over. Our electrostatic spraying couldn’t come close to the harm or damage hand sanitizers have done, to furniture, floors, anything else it’s gotten on. I will make bank on all the floor I will have to redo.

 

[Hack Attack]

I have sprayed all year as you know for my customers just like Richard. I sprayed multiple times a day on Sundays. My floors are trashed everywhere, but not from my spraying. They’re trashed from hand sanitizer splashed all over. Our electrostatic spraying couldn’t come close to the harm or damage hand sanitizers have done, to furniture, floors, anything else it’s gotten on. I will make bank on all the floor I will have to redo.

I lost a contract (which in hindsight has been great) where sanitiser has trashed the finish from the entrance to the counter

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Yep. Wipes, Clorox or otherwise, and hand sanitizers have stripped finish off a lot of the tops of pews. One church I do, every pew is stripped. We’ve stopped church spraying completely. Schools will go till the end of this month.

 

[Desk Jockey]

ummmm..

They were NOT removing Covid19 from the home or business location.

But insulating that they were.










Perpetual middle seat.

Is that like expecting my carpet to stay clean forever, just because you cleaned it?

I'm sure had surfaces been tested, tape or cultured you'd find COVID had indeed been removed.

The problem is, it just a time stamp. As soon as a person comes in you risk contamination.

If you really want to reduce the chance of COVID? Get vaccinated, wear a mask in public, stay away from crowded gatherings and wash your hands regularly.

 

[Mikey P]

Is that like expecting my carpet to stay clean forever, just because you cleaned it?

I'm sure had surfaces been tested, tape or cultured you'd find COVID had indeed been removed.

The problem is, it just a time stamp. As soon as a person comes in you risk contamination.

If you really want to reduce the chance of COVID? Get vaccinated, wear a mask in public, stay away from crowded gatherings and wash your hands regularly.

Or clean carpeting for a living and forget all that other bs.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Or clean carpeting for a living and forget all that other bs.

I would guess most would have preferred to but at that time nobody wanted any outsiders in their homes.

 

[Willy P]

Are you "spaying" them so they won't reproduce? Edit yer title....