Water Rinse Extraction aka Hot Water Extraction aka Steam Cleaning. I use WRE to be general, regardless of heat. Water is the extraction media. I just don't want to list them all.
Practically the same meaning, unless you're looking under a microscope, and even then you'd have very little to go off of, you would have little difference in who cleaned what, maybe Steve can post the findings, I don't have them.
Apologies for delays. I don't do social media or post much.
As well as restoring balance to the industry. 
can you clarify what WRE stand for?Apologies for delays. I don't do social media or post much.
This is a lot and we'll get to it eventually. The Fast Foamer does not replace WRE when it come to urine, heavy organics, etc. this is primarily for the majority of commercial built environments where WRE systems are not applicable to the majority of the environment. The 85%/ 15% soil matrix. There is a place for every method. If the entire space can be cleaned via encapsulation extraction while in front of the restrooms and break room may require WRE, either periodically during a planned maintenance program or a single cleaning intervention. We don't need to WRE the entire space. This is technically "wrong" in the sense of overkill, inefficiency.
I won't get into "deep cleaning" yet, but water penetration is not "deep cleaning". I'll share what "deep cleaning" is, which is for "health" soon. But I have "depth of the pile" and "comprehensive" covered as well."Deep cleaning" is part of the WRE corruption bias. It was most likely added because of the asthma & allergy scare the industry went through in the 90's & 2000's and why it was introduced in the S100 2011 revision. WRE bias got their way. Yes, we knew better at the time. So, why did they really add it?
Look at the composition of the S100 over the years and who shaped it? Bill Bane, Jeff Bishop and others. BIAS! Not hating, I get why they did what they did. However, this has to be rectified or the liability must shifted to the IICRC, CRI and manufacturer's.
Playtime is over. The reckoning is here. How painful the industry wants it to be is on them.
I can't tell you all my secrets because I've expanded on the "science of cleaning" and re-written the principle of cleaning to be "principles of soil removal" to encompass dry compound and encapsulation extraction. These are complete extraction/ cleaning methods. As well as created a new system that cannot be corrupted.
It's based on physics (movement) over chemistry, chemistry (preparation) and extraction interventions.
When we say the Fast Foamer often rivals if not exceeds WRE, we're not talking restaurants, dissolving, emulsification, etc. We are talking about environments like office, retail, hospitality, etc. where if one is vacuumed and WRE vs vacuumed and the Fast Foamer is used. The Fast Foamer will outperform WRE, particularly if a CRB is not used.
The Fast Foamer isn't trying to replace WRE or the Truckmount systems. It's about proper product care, getting rid of prohibited ineffective and inefficient rotary type systems, which has been deemed bad since the 1980's. Yet, oscillation was introduced.
I don't want to break anyone. This is a lot of info to take in and it's not really far off of what we already know. However, it's still a lot when you wake people up. They get ornery, LOL!
Expectations? If you're anything like me. You'll be disappointed. I'm a non-voting member on the S100, while Daryl Hagan (CRI) has the lead chair and Richard Bodo is co-chair. These guys don't know cleaning. Daryl is part of the "old guard" and Bodo is a "gate keeper". We know why they were chosen.
The first production had a heavy, bulky external compressor but has since been replaced with a proprietary smaller continuous run compressor simplifying things. If I had to choose a Fast Foamer with the heavy, bulky compressor, I'd still take it, opposed to no Fast Foamer at all. Plus, the 50 -100 models with the external compressor can be retrofitted with the newer proprietary smaller internal compressor.
I thought this too, but it's too fatiguing. Plus, a solenoid would need to added only increasing parts that can fail. The ball valve is the way to go. The onboard trigger sprayer is not for "advanced encapsulation extraction", those are for "pile lifting" aka "traditional encapsulation extraction" the Whittaker blow and go method is what I like to call it. No dwell and minimal agitation. Which to this day, Whittaker still stays single and dual pass. Not that it can't be used. Use what makes you the most effective and efficient and applicable to the cleaning objective. I just wanted to explain because these are all questions I had and still want to try. If I get a solenoid version demo worked up to test I'll share.
Releasit creates a foam.
he said!
Most Encaps can be foamy but not the same as an aerated foam. It's much drier.
Water Rinse Extraction aka Hot Water Extraction aka Steam Cleaning. I use WRE to be general, regardless of heat. Water is the extraction media. I just don't want to list them all.
I dont think the commercial client cares one bit about how drier or faster your cleaning method dries. It will be dry by the time the office opens in the morning. Whittaker CRB Orbot Cimax, hell 175 swing machine all with a good encap, vacuum before and after….same sheet. Brilliant results in the hands of a good operator.
When you are doing highrise hallways, faster drying is always good. I prefer to be done an hour before kids are getting out of school or people getting home from work. Most of what I do dries in about an hour.
There you go. If aint broke….
, and emptied every 15-20 minutes."water rinse extraction - A method of cleaning in which, following dry soil removal, a liquid cleaning solution is applied and then manually or mechanically agitated throughout the carpet pile. After an appropriate dwell time, suspended soils are rinsed under pressure with a hot or cold water-based solution (with frequently-used areas being rinsed at least twice), and extracted via wet vacuums. Carpet pile is then groomed and dried as necessary".
Please don't! This is not going to end well for you. Let's break this down. You have no experience with the Fast Foamer and no idea how it works and if it would be applicable as you are obviously not qualified to be speaking on this. I'm not here to destroy, but understand how I work. I will come at you with peace and willing to share all my knowledge to you or anyone who wishes to better themselves and the industry. Before I start. When I say "wrong", it's not 100% wrong because you have not been taught properly. I was taught properly and it still took me years to master it. So, I'm not attacking you. Even I can be "wrong". There is "wrong" as in appropriate, proper and adequate. "Wrong" as ineffective or inefficient.We did 14,950 sqft of a LARGE, open conference room on Monday.
There must have been 1000 food and drink spills over the vast space.
I’m always open, and looking for new, and innovative ways to improve my system…
Fast foamer would not work in this application.
The hose run from loading dock to the end of the giant room was 275’.
I ran 200’ of 2.5, and a 75’ whip of 2”. Suction was amazing, the wool carpet was only 6 months old, and shed like a long haired cat in the spring time.
We vacuumed for 2 hours with 2 ‘Powered lift away’ Shark vacuums,
I applied my cleaner (wool safe), through a Cimex with beige pads.
During extraction, I checked my waste tank every hour. After the second hour, I pulled my drop basket…
After the job, once back at the shop, I ran a filter.
We got 2, 5 gallon pails of wool fibre out. I’d estimate it to be approximately 3-4 sweaters worth.
There’s no easy way to remove the funk, and produce an above satisfactory result without actually REMOVING it…
I’d be interested in seeing how it performs in other commercial applications however.
Rotary regardless of Oscillation is not even comparable when it comes to cleaning. The CRB machine removes 30-40% of dry insoluble soils which are "entangled, trapped and embedded" within the effective pile which vacuuming and WRE CANNOT REMOVE! Absorption is the least effective method and not as efficient as a CRB and why it is no longer used. It is counter productive. It doesn't lift the pile, detangle, dislodge, or remove embedded dry soils. It pushes soils down and residues accumulate. Understand the "ENTRAINMENT" methods and the intervention hierarchy AIR > MECHANICAL (CRB AGITATION AND EXTRACTION/ QUASI-FLUID) > WATER. The CRB bridges all fluids creating an "ENTRAINMENT TRIFECTA" aka "ENTRAINMENT TRIAD". We lead with physics not chemistry!
This board is a limited area of operation for me. However, there are stewards out there that need to see this and understand their true purpose in this industry. We all have purpose.
And this will be appreciated more later than now. Fear nothing, we got this!
Where does the dirt go?"water rinse extraction - A method of cleaning in which, following dry soil removal, a liquid cleaning solution is applied and then manually or mechanically agitated throughout the carpet pile. After an appropriate dwell time, suspended soils are rinsed under pressure with a hot or cold water-based solution (with frequently-used areas being rinsed at least twice), and extracted via wet vacuums. Carpet pile is then groomed and dried as necessary".
I know this is a power play and I like to have fun too! However, this is not why I'm here. Why say, Hot Water Extraction (HWE) instead of "Steam Cleaning"? Why do some use "Steam" while others use "Hot Water"?
Again, I'm not trying to goat you. We know "Steam" was challenged and why we got HWE and when it comes to WRE, we have plenty of thermal energy with 60-75 degree water as it relates to the Kelvin scale. Thermal, temp, heat is relavent to "compacted soiling" aka heavy organics, aka dry-solvent solubles yada yada. I know more about methods and how they work than most.
It's like "Steam". I'm sure one of your stewards has the definition given to Bane from a DuPont chemist. That's when we start talking about cleaning. Otherwise, we're just sharing opinions. Science overall! I like you Mikey P! We're going to be good friends.
Please don't! This is not going to end well for you. Let's break this down. You have no experience with the Fast Foamer and no idea how it works and if it would be applicable as you are obviously not qualified to be speaking on this. I'm not here to destroy, but understand how I work. I will come at you with peace and willing to share all my knowledge to you or anyone who wishes to better themselves and the industry. Before I start. When I say "wrong", it's not 100% wrong because you have not been taught properly. I was taught properly and it still took me years to master it. So, I'm not attacking you. Even I can be "wrong". There is "wrong" as in appropriate, proper and adequate. "Wrong" as ineffective or inefficient.
1. Vacuuming. There is no reason to use a vacuum that aggressively on a wool carpet. Regardless of your perceived soil load. The vacuum isn't supposed to work on mechanical agitation. Yes, there is some, however it works by using two unique air flows. One created by the brush roll spinning at about 4k RPM. This RPM creates a vibration that separates the micro particulate 10 microns or less, typically about 2.5 microns which are primarily responsible for make carpet look "dirty". Couple that with a soluble aka binding agent aka the "sticky stuff". The brush roll creates a low pressure zone that pulls these micro particulate separating it from the fiber, suspending and "entraining" it into another low pressure air flow created by the vac motor. It's called "entrainment". Get use to that word because I've expanded on the science of cleaning particularly leading with physics fluids and the introduction of "mechanical entrainment" which creates an "Entrainment Trifecta" AIR (vacuuming) > MECHANICAL (CRB MACHINE, the brushes act as a QUASI-FLUID) > WATER (water rinse extraction). Vacuuming isn't "dry soil removal", it is "loose dry soil removal", Oh! I guess the cat is out of the bag, I've revised the principles, well not revised, expanded really and created the "principles of soil removal" for commercial textile floor coverings.
2. Regarding Cimex. This is where you done ****** up! I'm not even going to speak on this as it is insanity. These methods are prohibited by the manufacturer's. So, one question. Why would you want any additional liability? And I'll leave it there.
When it comes to wool, the only approved "mechanical agitaiton & mechanical extraction" is the CRB machine. Get use to "mechanical entrainment" aka "mechanical extraction". The CRB machine performs dual function (simultaneously) as a mechanical entrainment system. Agitaiton, this is chemical distribution and soil disruption. Second, mechanical extraction of "heavy, coarse" dry soils that are "entangled, trapped and embedded" within the "effective pile". Oh, vacuuming covers all dry soils on the wear surface, however it's primarily for "fine, lightweight" dry soils which accounts for approx. 40-50%. Understand, I'm giving you what most have never seen yet. Shit on it and it's on you not me, LOL! But if you don't learn from this, someone will, even me! I'm not coming at you, I'm coming after the foundation that got you to this point.
The brush denier is designated by the color white/ clear typically, softest .17mm bristle thickness. Yes, wool will shed "some" or a "lot" if you compare it a BCF.
I'm bored and hope I've shared enough for not only you to get right, but others as well. I'm raising the bar! WE can do better. I want the best for anyone in this business. I feel pain like no other and the reckoning is here! I can make you the best cleaner or the worst. It's up to you with what I've provided you. Again, I'm not attacking you or trying to be little you. This me, however my promise is to continue to work on my communication skills. So, please be patient.
See the attached photos and tell me and everyone how the "Fast foamer would not work in this application".
Mikey P said a lot of you guys are friends and go back and forth and this is just a tight community, so don't be offended. LOL! Sounds like my kind of sandbox!
If you want to measure dicks, LOL. One example: We can clean a 5 story bldg over 70K sqft plus upholstery yada yada three Fast Foamers over a weekend (Sat & Sun) with time to spare. This system truly cleans. Rotary is dead kid and I'll keep kicking it. They knew rotary was bad in the 80's. Let that sink in. Why do they want you using it? Start asking questions. Wakey, Wakey sleepy head. Rotary is NOT an ENTRAINMENT SYSTEM! "They" have either intentionally suppressed the CRB technology "mechanical entrainment" or just didn't recognize it, either way. There is no going back to sleep! My work is copyrighted and will be out soon! Didn't you know... There is a MANDATE!
I GOT SO MUCH CONTENT! THIS INDUSTRY IS GOING TO SEE A MAJOR SHIFT! RELAX AND BREATH IT IN. WE GOT THIS! Disclaimer: WRE and TM's aren't going anywhere. I've broken it all down, but rotary is the past!
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