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WRE?

What's that?
Water Rinse Extraction aka Hot Water Extraction aka Steam Cleaning. I use WRE to be general, regardless of heat. Water is the extraction media. I just don't want to list them all.
 

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Can you explain what "practically the same" is based on?


Ease of use?
Time spent ?
ATP testing?
Dry time?

Or just visual appearance?


How about corners, edges, under furniture, narrow areas, stair risers and bullnoses?

Heavy grease?
Urine?


You know, all the same areas and situations that present challenges for all vlm methods ..


Thanks for chiming in!
Practically the same meaning, unless you're looking under a microscope, and even then you'd have very little to go off of, you would have little difference in who cleaned what, maybe Steve can post the findings, I don't have them.

Ease of Use?
Just like a CRB now but with , however you have two extra connections (combined into a thick "cord") and you don't need someone to spray for you, just fill up the attached tank (up to 20 gallons) and go.

Time Spent?
Yeah you have to fill a tank with water and mix some chems but you'd have to do that anyway, but you don't have to stop to spray, or pump a sprayer, you just go. Cleaning production is 2000+ sq ft an hour. If its not dirty you can really crank out some sq ft.

ATP testing? No clue I don't have any of the data.

Dry Time? Same as regular encap, or faster it is foam after all.

Or just visual appearance? Not sure what you meant by this.

It has the same limitations as a regular CRB on corners, edges, furniture, narrow areas, stairs, etc as a normal CRB.

Like other encaps, grease is the limitation, this also isn't for residential this is for commercial, and not the grease trap restaurants no one wants to clean as I previously said.
Encaps don't touch urine anyway, extract it, and this isn't made for residential, this is for commercial.

To answer the question about the blue brushes, yes that's the preferred brushes according to the CRI and the carpet mills so you don't void warranties due to the higher denier (stiffness) of the other brushes distorting the pile.
 
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Can you explain what "practically the same" is based on?


Ease of use?
Time spent ?
ATP testing?
Dry time?

Or just visual appearance?


How about corners, edges, under furniture, narrow areas, stair risers and bullnoses?

Heavy grease?
Urine?


You know, all the same areas and situations that present challenges for all vlm methods ..


Thanks for chiming in!Apologies for the delay. I don't do social media or post much.
Apologies for delays. I don't do social media or post much.

This is a lot and we'll get to it eventually. The Fast Foamer does not replace WRE when it come to urine, heavy organics, etc. this is primarily for the majority of commercial built environments where WRE systems are not applicable to the majority of the environment. The 85%/ 15% soil matrix. There is a place for every method. If the entire space can be cleaned via encapsulation extraction while in front of the restrooms and break room may require WRE, either periodically during a planned maintenance program or a single cleaning intervention. We don't need to WRE the entire space. This is technically "wrong" in the sense of overkill, inefficiency.

I won't get into "deep cleaning" yet, but water penetration is not "deep cleaning". I'll share what "deep cleaning" is, which is for "health" soon. But I have "depth of the pile" and "comprehensive" covered as well."Deep cleaning" is part of the WRE corruption bias. It was most likely added because of the asthma & allergy scare the industry went through in the 90's & 2000's and why it was introduced in the S100 2011 revision. WRE bias got their way. Yes, we knew better at the time. So, why did they really add it?

Look at the composition of the S100 over the years and who shaped it? Bill Bane, Jeff Bishop and others. BIAS! Not hating, I get why they did what they did. However, this has to be rectified or the liability must shifted to the IICRC, CRI and manufacturer's.

Playtime is over. The reckoning is here. How painful the industry wants it to be is on them. 💁🏼‍♂️🤷‍♂️

I can't tell you all my secrets because I've expanded on the "science of cleaning" and re-written the principle of cleaning to be "principles of soil removal" to encompass dry compound and encapsulation extraction. These are complete extraction/ cleaning methods. As well as created a new system that cannot be corrupted.

It's based on physics (movement) over chemistry, chemistry (preparation) and extraction interventions.

When we say the Fast Foamer often rivals if not exceeds WRE, we're not talking restaurants, dissolving, emulsification, etc. We are talking about environments like office, retail, hospitality, etc. where if one is vacuumed and WRE vs vacuumed and the Fast Foamer is used. The Fast Foamer will outperform WRE, particularly if a CRB is not used.

The Fast Foamer isn't trying to replace WRE or the Truckmount systems. It's about proper product care, getting rid of prohibited ineffective and inefficient rotary type systems, which has been deemed bad since the 1980's. Yet, oscillation was introduced.🙄🤦🏼‍♂️ As well as restoring balance to the industry.

I don't want to break anyone. This is a lot of info to take in and it's not really far off of what we already know. However, it's still a lot when you wake people up. They get ornery, LOL!
 

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Apologies for delays. I don't do social media or post much.

This is a lot and we'll get to it eventually. The Fast Foamer does not replace WRE when it come to urine, heavy organics, etc. this is primarily for the majority of commercial built environments where WRE systems are not applicable to the majority of the environment. The 85%/ 15% soil matrix. There is a place for every method. If the entire space can be cleaned via encapsulation extraction while in front of the restrooms and break room may require WRE, either periodically during a planned maintenance program or a single cleaning intervention. We don't need to WRE the entire space. This is technically "wrong" in the sense of overkill, inefficiency.

I won't get into "deep cleaning" yet, but water penetration is not "deep cleaning". I'll share what "deep cleaning" is, which is for "health" soon. But I have "depth of the pile" and "comprehensive" covered as well."Deep cleaning" is part of the WRE corruption bias. It was most likely added because of the asthma & allergy scare the industry went through in the 90's & 2000's and why it was introduced in the S100 2011 revision. WRE bias got their way. Yes, we knew better at the time. So, why did they really add it?

Look at the composition of the S100 over the years and who shaped it? Bill Bane, Jeff Bishop and others. BIAS! Not hating, I get why they did what they did. However, this has to be rectified or the liability must shifted to the IICRC, CRI and manufacturer's.

Playtime is over. The reckoning is here. How painful the industry wants it to be is on them. 💁🏼‍♂️🤷‍♂️

I can't tell you all my secrets because I've expanded on the "science of cleaning" and re-written the principle of cleaning to be "principles of soil removal" to encompass dry compound and encapsulation extraction. These are complete extraction/ cleaning methods. As well as created a new system that cannot be corrupted.

It's based on physics (movement) over chemistry, chemistry (preparation) and extraction interventions.

When we say the Fast Foamer often rivals if not exceeds WRE, we're not talking restaurants, dissolving, emulsification, etc. We are talking about environments like office, retail, hospitality, etc. where if one is vacuumed and WRE vs vacuumed and the Fast Foamer is used. The Fast Foamer will outperform WRE, particularly if a CRB is not used.

The Fast Foamer isn't trying to replace WRE or the Truckmount systems. It's about proper product care, getting rid of prohibited ineffective and inefficient rotary type systems, which has been deemed bad since the 1980's. Yet, oscillation was introduced.🙄🤦🏼‍♂️ As well as restoring balance to the industry.

I don't want to break anyone. This is a lot of info to take in and it's not really far off of what we already know. However, it's still a lot when you wake people up. They get ornery, LOL!
can you clarify what WRE stand for?
 

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Look at the composition of the S100 over the years and who shaped it? Bill Bane, Jeff Bishop and others. BIAS! Not hating, I get why they did what they did. However, this has to be rectified or the liability must shifted to the IICRC, CRI and manufacturer's.
The S100 under it's last revision 5 years ago, added lots of VLM content, which I was a part of.

they just started revising it again, so I'd expect a bit more.
 
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The S100 under it's last revision 5 years ago, added lots of VLM content, which I was a part of.

they just started revising it again, so I'd expect a bit more.
Expectations? If you're anything like me. You'll be disappointed. I'm a non-voting member on the S100, while Daryl Hagan (CRI) has the lead chair and Richard Bodo is co-chair. These guys don't know cleaning. Daryl is part of the "old guard" and Bodo is a "gate keeper". We know why they were chosen.
 

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I watched your videos, I see you use an air compressor. Very interesting.
The first production had a heavy, bulky external compressor but has since been replaced with a proprietary smaller continuous run compressor simplifying things. If I had to choose a Fast Foamer with the heavy, bulky compressor, I'd still take it, opposed to no Fast Foamer at all. Plus, the 50 -100 models with the external compressor can be retrofitted with the newer proprietary smaller internal compressor.
 
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