Advice....HWE+encap

[Lee Stockwell]

Much ado about nothing.

Don't worry.

 

[Zee]

Short of a 50 pound Certified Pile brush , there's not a vac on the planet that removes anything but what's on the very top of a CGD

anyone that thinks otherwise is clueless
..L.T.A.

That's incorrect Larry...we have a little office here and I always vacuum it with a Momentum and you'd be surprised how much dark powdery soil comes up with nice slow vac strokes.
I have tried it on many many commercial carpets....and you can absolutely pick up a TON of dirt with a cheap Momentum as well.

 

[Mikey P]

Talking about vaccing CGD you knucklehead

and someone that's considering a part time porty in a Pinto, I see in the future rationalizing that encRap a more and more viable option.
just another step closer to Dante's Inferno


..L.T.A.

A Pinto..

don't be silly.


A Minivan is a much better option.



You've never ran a HOSS or RV or hell even an RX20 for more then a demo.


I'm telling YOU, you don't know shat until you've pulled a 50 pound sack of sand out of one room.



a 175/wand rinse is NOT the end all to end all.



So don't be dogging the VLM'rs here about REAL cleaning, when you haven't either, Skippy.

 

[Mikey P]

and the only reason the OP may need to buff/encap/shampoo/ ver the dried HWE'd carpet is he'll most likely over wet it and cause streaking.


He could probably just mist some vinegar and brush it in and all will be dandy.

 

[PrimaDonna]

We HWE and encap back to back frequently. Never had a problem or issue.

And we apply protecter after we encap....(I know I'm gonna stir the pot with that statement!!!!)

 

[Mikey P]

how devilish...

 

[ruff]

I'm telling YOU, you don't know shat until you've pulled a 50 pound sack of sand out of one room.

What'd you do, clean the lifeguard's booth at the beach in Scruz?

Have you been watching too many re-runs of Bay Watch again?

 

[Mikey P]

another non RE know it all blowing theory...

 

[steve_64]

Our oreck pulls sand from CGD all the time. Not all vacs are created equal. Other vacs weve tried barely cleaned the surface.

 

[Danny Strickland]

LArree CRAPatony cleans section 8's all day, you can't encrap those shit holes.

If you do any amount of commercial and don't encrap, yore as big a fool as LArree!!!

 

[Old Coastie]

I asked old man Kirby what he thought of poofter Dysons and gentle Orecks.

Just snorted and then he flogged thunder out of another carpet for me...

 

[Steve Lawrence]

I'm on it Rick... Literally.. The amount of tea tree extract I came in contact with starting with the original releasit..... Man, some of my dna is altered- I'm sure.

Wow, that was the problem I had with Releasit--too many people coughing. Sounds like the new formula has cut back on the Tea Tree Oil or omitted it. Is this correct?

 

[Desk Jockey]

Its always wise to use jets that drop larger droplets and keep your wand close to the carpet no matter what product you use. That will cut down on vapor complains and coughing if the product causes that. Surprisingly many products do.

 

[steve_64]

I asked old man Kirby what he thought of poofter Dysons and gentle Orecks.

Just snorted and then he flogged thunder out of another carpet for me...

my filter queen would suck the dirt out of kirbys all day.

that 8 lb oreck is the poo poo.

i was wondering what was up with the releasit. i miss the tea tree oil fragrance making my nose snot up while standing over the 3 gallon tank of steaming water scrubbing away.

 

[Old Coastie]

Steve, old man Kirby wanted to know what the filter queen would charge to do that, but I scolded him real good. After all, this is a respectable forum!

 

[NobleCarpetCleaners]

why the HWE? seriously.

 

[Shane Deubell]

why the HWE? seriously.

When you have 1000 competitors with floor buffers and only a handful with truckmounts it makes perfect sense

 

[GeneMiller]

Short of a 50 pound Certified Pile brush , there's not a vac on the planet that removes anything but what's on the very top of a CGD

anyone that thinks otherwise is clueless

..L.T.A.

the first time I tried one I was shocked how well it worked. The problem I saw was the bag put tons of fine dust back in the air. Hopefully they've improved them since. Most reviews I've read here didn't seem to agree.

Gene

 

[Dolly Llama]

the first time I tried one I was shocked how well it worked. The problem I saw was the bag put tons of fine dust back in the air. Hopefully they've improved them since. Most reviews I've read here didn't seem to agree.

Gene

I dispense with the bag most often Gene
Hook directly to TM vac...everything gets exhausted outside


everyone loves encRap because it makes tons of money..NOT because it's a quality cleaning
and if it is a quality cleaning to you, you stink as a CC'er ..period


..L.T.A.

 

[Dolly Llama]

So don't be dogging the VLM'rs here about REAL cleaning

your destiny awaits

..L.T.A.

 

[Shorty]

Pics from your family album ???

 

[encapman]

Wow, that was the problem I had with Releasit--too many people coughing. Sounds like the new formula has cut back on the Tea Tree Oil or omitted it. Is this correct?

Yep, we have removed the tea tree oil altogether.

 

[Danny Strickland]

Larry, what is carpet cleaning really?

Removal of soils (dirt, oils, or any other matter not in the fiber at manufacture) right??

Use of Encapsulating polymers to get said soils off the fiber and into a (take your pick) Vacuum bag, TM waste tank, base of the carpet, whatever, is cleaning carpet.

In commercial low cut pile or level loop, yore sooper sucker will pull soils up to the surface and remove a % of them, leaving finer soils behind. It looks good for a period of time, but not knowing how much soil by % is there, you have no way of knowing how much is being removed or left behind. Why do you think innovators (Zipper, wand glides, Rotary extractors) are constantly making new tools trying to improve removal of said soils???

Just because you drive a 1970's Camaro with a carburetor, instead of a newer car with fuel injection, tells me yore 35-40 yrs behind the times. Lemme guess, you still run a Steamway Powermatic with a fuel oil burner, in a van that uses more oil than gas???

ENCAP some carpet boy, it's the 21st century!!!

 

[Desk Jockey]

 

[PrimaDonna]

Seeing is believing....John was a HWE guy all the way. Took some working on him for a few years to be open to the idea. Then he tried it, got some training and good information. He's the poster boy for it now.

Bottom line, you HAVE to remember its about the customer and what they want. When they say they want "clean" carpet, most times that means they want it to look clean, they don't want to see the soil, spots and traffic lanes. It's all about perception.

So even if your core values tell you that HWE is better or 'the right' way to clean, remember the customer and their wants/needs. If you can offer them the clean "look" they desire at a competitive price point that get's YOU the job over the competition (who is willing to offer this service if you aren't), then why wouldn't you get on board with encap?

Read my post "Handed them their asses...." and see what happened at an account that we encaped and got clean when the maintenance company they were using could not.

 

[ruff]

Meg I totally agree that our job is to provide the clients with what they need. And not be stuck with our notion of what is "right".
Any good company knows that it is all about providing solutions to clients' needs.

However, my experience with most companies, is that for various reasons, they make the decision for their clients. In other words, the clients don't really know what it means.
I can't recall a single company that was crystal clear (not encap crystal but honest crystal) with their clients that what they are getting is a "Clean Look" not really clean.

Maybe this is what they need to do in order to close the deal. Maybe if they do tell, the clients will choose another company that will only tell them what they want to hear. However, they are definitely not winning the truth award any time soon.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Its easy to explain to them and if they trust you already they will give it a first shot. After that you can't switch them back to HWE. Encap looks brighter and dries faster. We do tell them at some point it will need HWE. In some cases that's only certain high traffic areas, others we've not reached that point after several years of cleaning.

This weekend we have 35K to clean 4-Cimex's and 3-TM's a little mix & match.

 

[PrimaDonna]

However, my experience with most companies, is that for various reasons, they make the decision for their clients. In other words, the clients don't really know what it means.

Which is why we explain both processes and what they can expect from them when we present a proposal.

We also refer to encapsulation as 'maintenance cleaning" and HWE as "restorative cleaning".

ur proposals are usually broken down in to HWE price, Encap price and dual process price (sometimes they need both at the same time, if done together at the same time, less than the straight HWE and Encap price ). We always suggest an intial HWE to remove what is there and have a clean slate, then scheduled encap cleanings depending on needs, with HWE once per year.

However, once they see the results of Encap (if they declined the inital HWE), it's hard for them to justify the price for HWE because the encap results are what they wanted.

 

[Desk Jockey]

However, once they see the results of Encap (if they declined the inital HWE), it's hard for them to justify the price for HWE because the encap results are what they wanted.

Happens every time!

Everything else is all talk but the results sell.

 

[GeneMiller]

I dispense with the bag most often Gene
Hook directly to TM vac...everything gets exhausted outside


everyone loves encRap because it makes tons of money..NOT because it's a quality cleaning
and if it is a quality cleaning to you, you stink as a CC'er ..period


..L.T.A.

Thanks Larry. I have a commercial job which is in need of serious vacuuming. im going to use your suggestion. Perfect combination. Serious brush with serious vacuum. The perfect storm.

Gene