But where does the Dirt Go?

[grizzley]

Just a little friendly testing between 2 op machines on cgd. The 3/8 orbit, slower machine actually pulled alot more soil than the large orbit, high speed op in this testing.............

Physics at work is all it is.

 

[grizzley]

Ahhh, for whatever reason, the pic doesnt show unless you click on it.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

The OP producers used to actually transfer dirt to cotton pads, and did remove a fair amount of dirt.

Raising the orbit and speed of the machines seemed to happen at the same time encapsulation was becoming popular. The higher speed and abrasion quickly destroyed OP pads that worked well on the slower machines.

Manufacturer found they could "do" carpets much faster by giving up on "removing" dirt, and instead used more durable pad combination to just encap the dirt. Voodoo that worked well and sold a new generation of machines.

Time will tell...

 

[Mikey P]

Grizzly Tim is more than smart enough to carry a Steamon Demon on board to actually extract when needed.


Top notch cleaner in my book.



know his way around a knife as well.

 

[grizzley]

I'm not a guy to bash any particular machine, however I am against saying a machine is more than it is. large orbit, high speed machines do great at encapping, but I'm in the business of removing soil.

Thanks Mikey. Yea, the steamin demon, as small as it is, does amazingly well in my business model, and I use it quite often.

 

[Derek]

it interesting to learn this past week that Clark @ Orbitec made a 1" orbit OP machine some ten years back. i guess he was the 1st to make a large orbit OP.

 

[grizzley]

it interesting to learn this past week that Clark @ Orbitec made a 1" orbit OP machine some ten years back. i guess he was the 1st to make a large orbit OP.

Yep, I knew he did that, but he realized that even though it was faster, it wasnt as enjoyable to operate, and didnt hit his expectations on actually removing soil. I seen Mardie really defending the whole Patent thing as well, but that idiot doesnt realize the patent is only for the mechanism of the orbit, and not the orbit itself......Any manufacture can have a larger orbit if they choose. Most op manufacturers are content with removing soil, and not trying to compete with a cimex on just encapping.

 

[Mikey P]

So what's your theory Tim


Why did the Hruby remove more soil?

Does the machine have a soul?

 

[grizzley]

So what's your theory Tim


Why did the Hruby remove more soil?

Does the machine have a soul?

My thought is the actual speed plays a huge factor in soil removal. How? On a 3/8 orbit, the rotation is slower, even though the orbit still oscillates at 1725 or so. This allows the pad to dig in a little deeper and actually absorb soil more efficiently. A downfall is the 3/8 oscillation doesnt travel past the fiber before returning, and does pose a risk to tip bloom.

On larger orbit machines, the offset forces the driver to spin twice as fast, and the added 1/4 inch of orbit forces the pad past the individual fiber before returning, never really digging in at all. The only benefit to this is the reduced chance of tip blooming. As Lee stated, the manufacture realized the reduction of soil removal and decided to attempt to be a direct competitor for high production machines such as a cimex.........Which is, and should never be a stand alone process unless vacuuming is done often,...........and correctly, ( and that is rarely the case)

Nothing wrong with this type of cleaning or the machine. For what it is, and for the educated on what it truly does, it does great, but it isnt by any means a type of pad extracting op machine.

But to answer your question, Naw, it doesnt have a soul..............but the operator should have a conscious on where it can and should be used.

 

[Mikey P]

Nice!

 

[Lee Stockwell]

GREAT post Tim!!!

 

[J Brown]

Yea great post Tim.

Derek, I didn't get to reply to your post on the vacaway board before the thread was closed, I don't know why it was closed, but anyway Clark (Orbitec) isn't interested in making a larger orbit machine mainly for the reasons Tim mentioned also his cx runs smooth and is selling, but he might change his mind if there is a big enough demand.
Clark might do a custom machine but I couldn't say for sure he's pretty busy, it doesn't hurt to ask though.

 

[Zee]

I would love to see the numbers (REAL numbers) on how many units Clark and Mr.Crooked handle sells, in a year.. combined....Jeff probably outsells them in ONE month.

I will always enjoy having the Orbot- pretty much the greatest return on any machine (when I look at the price and maintenance costs)

 

[J Brown]

I don't know anything about how many machines Clark sells but doesn't over inflate the price like Orbot and Mr Crooked handle, his CX sell for around $2650 and you don't make money at that price if you not sell machines.

 

[grizzley]

I don't know anything about how many machines Clark sells but doesn't over inflate the price like Orbot and Mr Crooked handle, his CX sell for around $2650 and you don't make money at that price if you not sell machines.

I honestly believe Clark would sell 10 times more if he just marketed the machines, but instead he just does his own thing and focus's more on the rug industry.....Which isnt a bad thing at all. He makes a quality machine that would be in alot more hands if he improved on his marketing though.

 

[Mikey P]

I honestly believe Clark would sell 10 times more if he just marketed the machines

and 30 times if he just answered his phones..

 

[Larry Cobb]

Tell us which machines you used . . .

Ashley and John seem pretty set on expensive large orbit machines.

Clark @ $2650 for the CX seems like a productive machine.

 

[Mikey P]

well..

if slower actually cleans ( as in transferring soil to the pad, NOT grinding it into the pile at 20,000 per hour) than I'm going to suggest Ricky's Vario may out CLEAN those other more expensive units.

http://www.excellent-supply.com/VARIO-Orbital-Scrubber_p_563.html

 

[Jack Zipper Zerkie]

I have a orbot with the weight package used twice for carpets . I love my cheap& simple Cobb truckmount works great. When I tried the orbot it worked but it.s not the same. Oh well I keep it clean and covered in my storage. jz.

 

[J Brown]

The faster the pad driver spins the easier or faster it will glide over the carpet but gliding over the carpet fast doesn't equate better cleaning.

I can get the same cleaning level of cleaning with a 50lb fixed orbit towel machine as the larger op machines, it will just clean slower.
The pad driver doesn't spin with the towel machine so it digs in better.

 

[grizzley]

Tell us which machines you used . . .

Ashley and John seem pretty set on expensive large orbit machines.

Clark @ $2650 for the CX seems like a productive machine.

The testing was between a cx17 and a trinity.

Now Larry, I dont necessarily mean to undercut any machine. Its not necessarily comparing apples to apples here. While one is designed more to pad extract, the other is designed more for encap.