Does water CAUSE delamination?

[-JB-]

Simple question right? :mrgreen:

 

[Joel D]

from the flooded basement carpets Ive had to reinstall I will say yes

this feels like a trap

something from a class you learned?

 

[Joel D]

OK now Im remembering some carpets were perfectly fine after being soaked and some were shot so something to do with how its dried?

this is fun

 

[Dolly Llama]

Does water CAUSE delamination?

only happens to those using a Steamon Demon...


Oh! Oh! ... Mr Kotter, Mr Kotter, pic me, I know, I know.... :mrgreen:


..L.T.A.

 

[Willy P]

Depends on the quality of the latex and how much clay is in the mix.

 

[Jack May]

If you're asking a simple question, then my simple answer would be, No.

John

 

[TimP]

Being wet by itself wont delaminate carpet.

Water will make the backing less stable and can be delaminated by improper detaching for removal of pad.

 

[kmdineen]

no

 

[Jim Nelson]

yes

 

[renegade_cowboy]

Yes and No.

In some cases carpet wet for to long can CAUSE delamination, but so does a bunch of other stuff. Alot depends on the backing, age, condition of the carpet. Let see what chem dry would say, since HWE leaves carpet wet for days.

 

[dealtimeman]

i would say it can but i dont think just by itself.

 

[sweendogg]

Ok.. (cracks fingers)... The type and quality of latex will vary at each carpet mill and within the mills the day to day quality of the latex will vary as well. In general, most latex adhesives are water based and contain fillers to help them go farther and keep cost down for a particular carpet mill. When a tufted carpet gets wet and remains wet for a substantial period of time, the latex softens because it has been reactivated. If there is a lot of water moving through the carpet there is a possibility that the latex can be washed out of a carpet. However, this usually requires a small bit of solvency r alkalinity to loosen the glue to be rinsed away. When the latex is wet, another possbility is that excess traffic in the wet area or too much physical disturbance could cause a delamination. If a carpet has been wet and the latex has a lot of filler, the filler can dry out and fall out leaving a shortage of material to maintain the structual integrity of the secondary and primary backings. Most times water alone will not cause delamination but there are plenty of special cases were water can and has caused delamination. So like the vast majority:

Yes and No.

Give a cucumber we'll throw you some pickles!

 

[-JB-]

No trap.
Just amazes me how many answers/more questions, a simple question like that can evoke. And we wonder why custy's are so confused. Everyone they speak with, retailers, mills, neighbors, installers and cleaners all give them different answers.

 

[Dale]

Hi Guys:

ISCT did what is called the W.E.T. study. Read it, it will surprise you.

However, the fact is (as an inspector) no mill cares about the W.E.T. study, and will deny a claim for delamination if they know of a water damage. And I saw this in court.

Think about it, if it is wet and there is activity (walking on it, blowers under it etc) thats a lot of wieght pulling on it that it was not designed for. And who can prove there was no activity?

Sincerely,
Dale

 

[Willy P]

Ok.. (cracks fingers)... The type and quality of latex will vary at each carpet mill and within the mills the day to day quality of the latex will vary as well. In general, most latex adhesives are water based and contain fillers to help them go farther and keep cost down for a particular carpet mill. When a tufted carpet gets wet and remains wet for a substantial period of time, the latex softens because it has been reactivated. If there is a lot of water moving through the carpet there is a possibility that the latex can be washed out of a carpet. However, this usually requires a small bit of solvency r alkalinity to loosen the glue to be rinsed away. When the latex is wet, another possbility is that excess traffic in the wet area or too much physical disturbance could cause a delamination. If a carpet has been wet and the latex has a lot of filler, the filler can dry out and fall out leaving a shortage of material to maintain the structual integrity of the secondary and primary backings. Most times water alone will not cause delamination but there are plenty of special cases were water can and has caused delamination. So like the vast majority:

Yes and No.

Give a cucumber we'll throw you some pickles!

I said the same thing in the Readers Digest condensed version. :wink:

Depends on the quality of the latex and how much clay is in the mix.

 

[Brian R]

Didn't water carve out the Grand Canyon?

And it won't F up carpet?

Come on now.

combined with time (to get technical) water can mess up anything.

 

[sweendogg]

Ok.. (cracks fingers)... The type and quality of latex will vary at each carpet mill and within the mills the day to day quality of the latex will vary as well. In general, most latex adhesives are water based and contain fillers to help them go farther and keep cost down for a particular carpet mill. When a tufted carpet gets wet and remains wet for a substantial period of time, the latex softens because it has been reactivated. If there is a lot of water moving through the carpet there is a possibility that the latex can be washed out of a carpet. However, this usually requires a small bit of solvency r alkalinity to loosen the glue to be rinsed away. When the latex is wet, another possbility is that excess traffic in the wet area or too much physical disturbance could cause a delamination. If a carpet has been wet and the latex has a lot of filler, the filler can dry out and fall out leaving a shortage of material to maintain the structual integrity of the secondary and primary backings. Most times water alone will not cause delamination but there are plenty of special cases were water can and has caused delamination. So like the vast majority:

Yes and No.

Give a cucumber we'll throw you some pickles!

I said the same thing in the Readers Digest condensed version. :wink:


[quote="Willy P":1jowq739]Depends on the quality of the latex and how much clay is in the mix.

[/quote:1jowq739]


:mrgreen:

 

[-JB-]

Think about it, if it is wet and there is activity (walking on it, blowers under it etc) that's a lot of weight pulling on it that it was not designed for

That's my take on the true CAUSE of delamination, putting damp carpet under undo stress.

Think about it, how many times as a cleaner have you been called into a job where the custy says "oh yeah we had a little water/flood over there (basements generally), that's why it's stained, do you think you can fix it?" Yet never mentions nor is there any delamination, cause they didn't do ANYTHING to the carpet but let it dry.
They didn't walk on it, extract it, tear/take it up ANYTHING.

And lo and behold...
[center:206eopzc]:shock: :shock: NO DELAMINATION :shock: :shock: :roll:[/center:206eopzc]

Didn't water carve out the Grand Canyon?

And it won't F up carpet?

Come on now.

combined with time (to get technical) water can mess up anything.

No, water ALONE didn't carve it, water and flow~agitation did.