Escape ETM vs. 16 HP #33 Direct Drive TM

[Larry Cobb]

Saturday April 20, 2013 . . .

A windy spring day in northern Texas . . .

Mytee Escape ETM vs. 16 HP #33 Gas Powered TM (direct drive @ 3200 RPM).

A 40 HP #47 blower TM was also tested for reference.

All testing was done with Bentley 12" x 2" 2 jet Wand.

100 ft. of 2" hose was used.

Several normal pull passes with the dual #02 Wand jets spraying were done.

Average digital vac readings while extracting the same plush carpet were used on this graph:

The 16 HP #33 Blower TM & Escape ETM were essentially equal in performance,

while the 30 HP #47 Blower TM was ~37% more lift.

These are photos of two of the actual machines tested:

Terry Brevick was at the BBQ to view the setup,
but left at some time during the testing to catch his flight.

Larry

 

[Mikey P]

Thanks for the update Larry.

Btw, who sells a 16/33 truckmount?

What else did you all do at the BBQ?

 

[Larry Cobb]

After the testing everyone enjoyed the Beef Brisket and Ribs that Nick had prepared.

Here is one photo of most of the group:

Nick is in the green shirt.

Here is the 3-piece Band that played:

After the band played and it got dark we had a nice campfire
and Laser show for entertainment.

Morning After Excitement ;
Sunday morning right after breakfast we discovered a fairly large fire at the very back of Nick's yard.
It was about 10 ft. wide by 5 ft. high when it was discovered.
The wind was brisk, so it had potential to spread rapidly.
The garden hose would not reach to the fire, so we had to use coolers and plastic drums to transport the water.
This is a photo of the wood pile that was burning:

It won't be long, before the performance of the #47 TM & # 45 TM's . .

will be matched by a ETM.

Larry

P.S. The #33 TM was a Direct Drive Model from Nick, that we sell as well.
It was pulling slightly over 15" hg. sealed @ the truck.

 

[Mikey P]

Direct drive as in coupled or as in cds-pto

I don't recognize a single person in your photo.

Maybe Jay back there catching flies...?

 

[Desk Jockey]

Larry that's not too bad for an all electric machine!

Even though as mentioned the ETM was being compared to entry level gas TM and its a bit underpowered but still not bad considering that an ETM can at least compete at the entry level. What about heat? Is propane heat being used for the ETM or is it heat from the vac blowers?

I'd much rather see an ETM being used than portables, especially more that the posers that think a portable is a TM because they have it strapped down.

 

[hogjowl]

It's ok for an electric machine to perform at a level not generally considered sufficient for a gas TM? Why the double standard?

And, if I was forced to use one of those things, I think I'd rather have one that's straped down. That way, I can at least UNSTRAP it to enable me to get the stupid thing OUT or my van and within 50 ft. of what I am cleaning.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Porkbarrel it's a major improvement for bottom feeders, to have an electric machine that can compete with entry level is pretty amazing.

I'm for it, I'd like to see the portable go by the wayside like a dinosaur it is.

I'd want a strapped down ETM to be pulled out for large commercial work but not a POSER TM (Strapped down portable)!

 

[Mikey P]

Larry

I think it was a Mytee M5 portable that John ran with his booster and 200 feet of hose at San Diego Fest a while back. That set up had great vacuum for what is was. How much better is the current ETM and is it worth double the cost in your opinion?

 

[Jimmy L]

I had a friend who ran a small 33 blower machine.

I can say I would never even consider one to use.

And if you are bragging about a electroweenie competing with an entry TM I would say forget it.

At least if you ran the small tm you wouldn't have to deal with finding outlets for the cords.

 

[clean image]

Larry, thanks for taking time to test

Those numbers are for lift only? No cfm

Did you do the test for recovering, and testing amount of water recovered?

 

[Larry Cobb]

Carl;

The numbers we recorded "at the wand" were all using 100' of 2" vac hose,
and the 12" x2" Bentley wand, while the wand was cleaning.

We measured lift to 4 decimal places . . .

which is also related to actual CFM moving thru the entire system.

The machine with the highest lift while cleaning,

would also recover the greatest amount of water.

(which we didn't measure)

Jimmy: the #33 blower was direct driven @ 3200 RPM.

Larry

 

[SamIam]

My old prochem 150 had a 33 blower on it and I owned a steam genie sgs36 was a 36 blower for single wand machines they were smokin hot.

Might have got more vac from my legend se but lost heat same with 405.

still the vac improvement from the 33 to the legend to 405 was huge cant imagine a #6


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[Larry Cobb]

Some additional data:

CFM is related to the actual lift measured at the wand while cleaning carpet.

Below Lift @ Sealed vs. Lift @ Wand Extracting Carpet

Machine -Lift Sealed - Lift @ 100' 2" Hose @ wand outlet
#33 TM - - - 215" - - - - 133" - 9.8" hg.
ETM - - - - - 217" - - - - 136" - 10" hg.
#47 TM - - - 215" - - - - 175" - 12.9" hg.

Larry

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[Giorgio]

it was really cool but had to leave early because Lochardt was jet lagged and my son was jonesing to go to 6 Flags.

here's a quick video i took first thing in the AM.

[video=youtube_share;WV4fJdKlSng]http://youtu.be/WV4fJdKlSng[/video]

 

[Jimmy L]

Chinease motor....Oh mY!

 

[Mikey P]

Too bad you didn't go in the shop, I'd like to see Nick's secret Head Cheese recipe in action.

It was awful nice of him to remove his living room floors for the demonstrations though.









Sorry, couldn't resist.

Nick's machines have come along way in appearance.
What was that low profile wand that was being used? How many jets?
Did Bristor show up?

 

[Desk Jockey]

Yes Nick's units look really do look much improved!


Two jet wand? Oh well I guess some people still use them. ????

 

[Desk Jockey]

Chinease motor....Oh mY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NecK4MwOfeI

 

[Shane Deubell]

I thought 2 jet wands were for portables

The test was fine but the real question is were will these machines be at say 3000 hours or 5000 hours. Until i see etm's with serious hours on them, will just hang back and let the pioneers get slaughtered.
Then i will jump in and buy one!

 

[Curtis Pennnington]

Ummm we use 2 jet wands 5 jet wands 6 jets wands.... To be honest I can tell a freaking difference in a "dramatic" cleaning ability. A Wand should evenly spray and suck. Not rocket science .

 

[ruff]

Agreed. I use a the same wand that I use on the van. Not a single problem.

 

[Willy P]

I thought 2 jet wands were for portables

The test was fine but the real question is were will these machines be at say 3000 hours or 5000 hours. Until i see etm's with serious hours on them, will just hang back and let the pioneers get slaughtered.
Then i will jump in and buy one!

The General pump should last 5 years or more with proper care. Vac motors every 12 to 18 months with regular use.