flow test

[Ron Lippold]

Flow test today

18 flow T wand 500 psi

a little over 2 gal a minute

anyone running 24 on a T wand

 

[Loren Egland]

Steam Way has for decades advertised that the Powermatic with 3/8 inch solution hose at 500psi with one number 3 FLOOD jet on the Steam Way wand puts out 2.1 gallon per minute. I have some old brochures from 1978 that I mentioned this fact to our customers as part of our cleaning advantage. combined with higher heat of the kero burner.

Loren

 

[Dolly Llama]

Loren, I thought the flood jet on the SW wand was equiv to 07 flow??

I also thought the 2.1 GPM was in reference to the sustained 250 temp the burner is capable of.
Not what the stock wand flows


..L.T.A.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Larry;

The #3 FloodJet is equal to a #6 in Veejet or TeeJet.

We've used them some, but for rinsing, they have a heavy edge.

Larry Cobb

 

[Dolly Llama]

We've used them some, but for rinsing, they have a heavy edge.

I know you've mentioned that before, Larry.
and I've mentioned I found the opposite with our SW flood jet wands.
The heaviest spray was in the middle, not the sides.

we don't use them anymore for several reasons,
but the spray was always heaviest in the middle.
(unless you mean the "dribbles" on the edge and not actual spray)

..L.T.A.

 

[harryhides]

From my 1996 Steamway catalogue.

Powermatic 2100 -
Kohler 25hp with a Legend series 4700 blower system for an average cleaning lift of 10" HG & 293 cfm.
The 240 XL heater produces 231,000BTU can heat up to 250 degree at 2.1Gal per hr. They proudly proclaim "complete dual wand capability" up to 400 feet.

My how times have changed.

 

[kmdineen]

Ti wand (six jet) 09 flow @ 500 psi = 1 1/2 GPM

Ti wand(six jet) 12 flow @ 500psi = 1 2/3 GPM

 

[Dolly Llama]

From my 1996 Steamway catalogue.

The 240 XL heater produces 231,000BTU can heat up to 250 degree at 2.1Gal per hr.

"250 degree at 2.1Gal per hr"


ummm, Harold, I think you might be off by a minute or 59....


..L.T.A.

 

[russgolfer]

Larry-

You said you are no longer using Steamway wands. What wands are you using with your Steamway machines now and why? Sounds like you have been doing this longer than I (12 years using Steamway Powermatics and Mastermatics exclusively) and I have always had the same experience as you-- heaviest stream in the middle. Not always the greatest when there is a spot along the wall in a hallway and you cant turn the wand 90 degrees to go at with the full stream. Would be interested in your insight.

Thanks,

Russ

 

[DavidVB]

Has anyone tested the Steam Way wand with a #3 flood jet at 450 psi? I used the wand for years and when I bucket tested it it never came close to 2 gallons a minute. More like 1.6 maybe 1.7. The spray pattern is very heavy in the middle, which was great for spot removal but tended to cause distortion on some cut pile. I also thought the heat was higher in the middle as the water had a shorter distance to travel by inches. We haven't used those wands in years.

 

[Dolly Llama]

we've been running a Powermatic about the same length of time as you, Russ.
Bought my first one about 12 years ago.

We use a 09 flow glided Ti wand now.
Before we got our Ti a few years ago, we carried and used several wands.
Two AW29 (a 2 jet S bend) one with 06 flow and one jetted with 04 flow for light soil speedy quick dry res.
The SW wand was used for rat natzties.

Personally, i don't don't care for a straight wand.
The AW29s were also easier to push so that's the one I always grabbed.

The other things that bothered me about the SW wand;
getting burnt on that darn steel line from valve to jets.
jet distortion on some cut piles
Never being able to keep the Paraplate valve from leaking out of the trigger stem. Seems like I couldn't get more than a few weeks on a rebuild before it started leaking from there.

Our Ti wand is pretty much the only wand we use now.
Once we got a glide to make it pushable, then the check valves to to stop those darn dribbles/drips from the jets, I like it MUCH better.
The 2" tube helps with flow and recovery and the low profile is nice too.
The wand ain't for everybody I guess.
And it costs a small fortune.
So if you consider buying one, I'd recommend you take one for a test drive first.


..L.T.A.

 

[russgolfer]

Larry-

Thanks for the input. I can relate to everything you said especially the dang valves. We have all Schrader valves and it is about once a month for rebuilds. I kind of prefer the straight design though. But then again I haven't used a double bend for any significant amount of time. We have two other non Steamway machines that run PMF 802 wands (2 jet double bend) but I think they are jetted way too small (1.5 I think).

I have tried the titanium 2" wand at a demo day and the thing just seemed huge to me. I have big hands and it seemed like I could barely hold it. I have looked at the Prochem quad jet double bend with the 1 3/4" tube and liked that better. I also saw in the new Interlink catalog that they have a knock off for half the price so that may be the route I will go.

Thanks again,

Russ

 

[boazcan]

Russ---I hate to make it sound so easy, but please call Greenie about his wand. You will not be disappointed. There has been several positive comments about it around here. I have used for over 2 months now and love it. I will spare you the details only to say, I cannot find anything bad about it. Try it, you will be pleased.

bc[/quote]

 

[Dolly Llama]

Larry-



I have tried the titanium 2" wand at a demo day and the thing just seemed huge to me. I have big hands and it seemed like I could barely hold it. I have looked at the Prochem quad jet double bend with the 1 3/4" tube and liked that better. I also saw in the new Interlink catalog that they have a knock off for half the price so that may be the route I will go.

Thanks again,

Russ

Russ, the Ti seemed HUGE to us at first too.
Now it's just feels normal.
AW29 is pretty much the same as the 802.
It's lighter, has a bright finish and welds and wand lips are finished better.
Many guys think they're junk, I've always liked them.
We tried the 1.5 jets once.
Man-o-day, it was WAY to slow for a reasonable flush/rinse.
Bump to a pair of 03s and run @350 to 400psi max

I'm not a big fan of the Prochem quad jet.
It's a heavy (though quality built) wand, but the 4 jets low to the carpet can cause jet distortion on some cut piles.
That doesn't happen with the 6 jet TI

wands are pretty personal things though.

Never tried the Greenie modified wand and his 5 yet manifold.
I don't think so much of the stock wand though


..L.T.A.

 

[GRHeacock]

Not to hijack this thread, but speaking of valves- my original wand came with a Schrader valve. Big problems. I replaced with a Paraplate valve. Same problems.

After some 5 or 6 years with these problems, I replaced the Paraplate valve with a PMF valve. Never had another leak, or never needed rebuilding after some 15 years.

Gary

 

[Kevin B]

I always thought the powermatic had a roots 45, I could of been mistaken.

And why the heck does steamway have a hardon for rear mounts?

 

[Dolly Llama]

I always thought the powermatic had a roots 45, I could of been mistaken.

And why the heck does steamway have a hardon for rear mounts?

it is a 45, Kev.
Think they used Tuthills and Sutorbuilts for a minute too.
But most are Roots.
Donno why they did the 4700 thing.
Probably marketing reasons similar to what Butler did with their 56 thingy.
When it is a 47 blower

Don't know what you mean about the "rear mount".
I think most manufactures recommend side mount cause the load in the van is better distributed that way.
Personally, I prefer rear mount and installed it that way myself.


..L.T.A.