Green Seal Strike Again !!!!

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The City of Los Angeles will require Green Seal carpet cleaning products for buildings over 50,000 sq. or 50 living units. Following is the press release:

"Los Angeles Mandates LEED For New Buildings
As reported on FacilitiesNet.com, a new, aggressive ordinance would require all new buildings over 50,000 square feet in size to meet LEED building standards, part of a program to slash carbon emissions in the city by more than 80,000 tons by 2012.

The ordinance will create a series of requirements and incentives for developers to meet the US Green Building Council’s Energy and Design (LEED) standards.

“Our City is growing fast and growing up, and we’re holding the private sector accountable to their commitment to be friends to our environment,” says Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. “Already the City of Los Angeles has the largest, most aggressive municipal green building plan of any large city in America. Now it’s time for green building to go private.”

The ordinance would reduce the City's carbon emissions by more than 80,000 tons by 2012, the equivalent of taking 15,000 cars off the road – surpassing any other major city in the country, according to Villaraigosa.

Under the ordinance, the City will require all projects at or above 50,000 square feet – or 50 units – to comply with the general LEED-certified standard. In exchange, the City will work with builders to speed up approvals and to remove obstacles in the municipal code for elements of sustainable building design, such as green rooftops, cisterns and permeable pavement.

If a builder commits to pursuing LEED silver accreditation, the City will add expedited processing through the Planning and Public Works Departments.

“This legislation puts Los Angeles squarely at the forefront of building green,” says Council President Eric Garcetti said. “With it we will clean our air, clean our water, preserve our land, and lead the fight against global warming.”

In addition to direct incentives, the initiative will require the City to train case managers as LEED accredited professionals and will create one-stop checklists of allavailable City incentives to guide developers through the green building process.

A new cross-departmental Sustainability Team will also be created under the program, generating a forum between developers and City staff to address issues arising on both a project basis and a policy level. Meeting regularly with the public, the team will file quarterly reports to the Mayor on the City’s progress in implementing the Private Sector Green Building Initiative.

“Given that greenhouse gas emissions from buildings account for more than 40 percent of global warming pollution, the Los Angeles Green Building ordinance is a good first step towards building an energy-efficient, climate friendly sustainable city, says Global Green USA President Matt Petersen. “While certainly not an end destination, it is important that Los Angeles has become the first big city to codify a private sector green building program.”

The Green Building Plan is part of the Green LA Plan which was unveiled in May 2007. That plan calls for the city to reduce its carbon footprint by 35 percent below 1990 levels by 2030. The goal goes beyond the targets set in the Kyoto Protocol and is the greatest reduction target of any large US city.

Key Points of the Private Sector Green Building Ordinance

• Require that all new projects greater than 50 units or 50,000 square feet show compliance with the LEED Certified level.

• Expedite processing through all departments, if LEED Silver designation is met.

• Initiate an ongoing review of city codes to ease use of environmentally sound and superior materials and processes.

• Create a cross-departmental Sustainability Team to review and revise green building policies and specific projects. They will meet weekly so that the development community can enjoy ongoing interaction with City staff.

• Direct City General Managers and department and agency heads (namely Planning, Building and Safety, Public Works, Water and Power, Transportation, and CRA) to train and certify their staff in green building methods and policies and/or as LEED Accredited Professionals. This training should be ongoing and appear in each departmental annual budget. "


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My understanding is that credits toward LEEDS certification can be obtained through many ways. I don't see anything that specifically requires the use of Green Seal cleaning products. Am I missing something?

While I know that GS-37 has some flaws, I applaud the general directions of requirements that get us cleaner air.

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Scott;

In every LEEDS building I have knowledge of, all cleaning contracts state that Green Seal GS-37 cleaning products must be used.

The LEED silver rating requires that a high number of points be achieved to qualify. Some of these points are very difficult and expensive to meet.

Green Seal GS-37 is essentially mandated in every LEEDS building that wants to maintain their rating.

I would like to know of any LEEDS building that does not use GS-37 cleaning products.

Larry Cobb

P.S. How do you feel about cleaning carpet with COLD water ?
(in order to save energy)
 

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Larry is right. We clean close to 300,000 Sq.ft of commercial space per week and those who are LEED Certified must use GS-37 cleaning products.
 

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Leed certification can be confusing to a newbee. The least expensive way for a building owner to obtain the points needed to be certified at a particular level is to get as many points using GS-37 products. As Larry stated. So they mandate the cleaning services use GS-37 products. As your question about VLM the system is not the issue it's the chems you use. (There are ways around that but you didn't here that from me...)
 

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so, it appears cold water is mandatory. What do the manufacturers / IICRC say about hwe to maintain the warranty?. Is there a mention of water temperature?.

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Larry Cobb said:
Create a cross-departmental Sustainability Team to review and revise green building policies and specific projects. They will meet weekly so that the development community can enjoy ongoing interaction with City staff.

Larry Cobb


Oh yeah, and who wouldn't "enjoy ongoing interaction with City staff" particularly people outside the scope of a large complex construction project that can revise stuff and has no financial timetable tied to the project even better " a cross-departmental Sustainability Team " what's better than one government agency multiply ones
 
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Hot water is allowed by Green Seal for carpet cleaning products since performance takes precedence over energy use and as you know, some chemistry is formulated to work best in heat.

As far as VLM is concerned, Joe is right: it isn't the system, it's using certified chemistry. However, some in LEED and other "green" buildings use VLM (in addition to green chemistry) to help get other credits besides Green Cleaning, like energy and water savings.

One note for those working in such buildings or marketing themselves that way: don't call it "LEEDS" with an 's'... that bugs them more than you would think.
 

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Debbie;

The exact quote from Green Seal "Potential Revised Language" is:

"Carpet cleaners may be diluted with warm or hot water where required by the test method or performance considerations"

Hard surface cleaners must still be tested with 50° F water to ASTM soil removal standards.

Anybody prefer 50° water for restaurant grout cleaning ??

Larry

P.S. We are supporting CRI Seal of Approval chemical certification as opposed to Green Seal GS-37.
 
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Larry Cobb said:
The exact quote from Green Seal "Potential Revised Language" is: "Carpet cleaners may be diluted with warm or hot water where required by the test method or performance considerations"

I read the emphasis differently, meaning "Carpet cleaners may be diluted with warm or hot water where required by the test method or performance considerations."

Additional proposed language for labeling reads, "The manufacturer’s label shall state clearly and prominently that dilution with water from the cold tap is recommended and shall state the recommended level of dilution. Carpet cleaner labels shall specify the use of cold water for products that do not suffer significant performance degradation in cold water." (My emphasis.)

Green Seal explains: Cold water is preferred, but if the product needed warm water, then warm water should be labeled.

Pigs can still bathe warm; it's the soap they use that may be an issue! Now grout is another story. Seems the carpet cleaning product manufacturers are louder than the grout folks. There's still a few hours left to vote on the draft if you want to say yea or nay to cold grout cleaning or some other thing...
 

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I feel for the guys that have to put up with being dictated to by a group that knows very little about cleaning, or textiles, or cleaning textiles.

The State has thrown out GreenSeal as a standard writer, but LEED programs are very much alive using the 'third party testing' programs.

CRI, CIRI, and the EPA DFE might offer alternatives.
 

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According to LEED:

""Cleaning products that meet the Green Seal GS-37 standard if applicable, OR if GS-37 is not applicable (e.g.,for products such as carpet cleaners, floor finishes or strippers), use products that comply with the California Code of Regulations maximum allowable VOC levels."

It is true the Green Seal program favors large Companies like Johnstons, Spartan and other companies that can afford the $30,000 to get the GREEN SEAL for each of their products. While at the same time just because it is difficult I do not see building owners becoming willing to allow ALL these other certification bodies to become viable. Hey this is a movement whether you like it or not the rules will be based on "emotion" which means all bets are off.
 

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Fred;

The allowance of "California VOC compliant products" was taken away years ago when they dictated new standards for carpet cleaning products.

Today, they are tightening these absurd standards even more.

Some examples:

1. Severe restrictions on amount of d-Limonene (citrus solvent) in all cleaning products.

2. Restrictions on several effective builders used to combat hard water.

3. Requirements for expensive biodegradation studies, that nobody has any incentive to perform. Required for every ingredient.

We have decided to support the CRI SOA program for cleaning chemicals, since they have national mill endorsements & are a good alternative to combat Green Seal.

Larry

P.S. Brian, the EPA DFE program is also a better alternative to Green Seal.
 

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Larry you may be right about the Calf VOC standerds may have been done away with but if you are going to be LEED Certifiyed for LEED EB you need to be aware of it as it is still in the newest Reference Guide.

You know I think I am making the transition into Green and do not know it is happening. Kind of like "outer space beings invading your body without you knowing it".

For me it makes sense that these buildings have less products in them. For years we bonnet cleaned with with a 1/2 oz of product per gal. We always cut manufactures recommended dilutions in half. Most Chemical guys/gals "REALLY LIKE TO SELL MORE PRODUCT". In our commercial business our first spotter we grab is "WATER", that's right plan old WATER. That was started by our operations guy. I thought he was nuts but it is working out great.

Tooting our own horn our ENCAP (Ultra-Restore) starts with dilution rates of 1oz/gal. The world is changing and we are not going to stop it plus it "just might be better". We should have Green Seal approval within the next 60 days.

www.geyengroup.com
 
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