Help, got a bleeder

[KevinL]

Washed several rugs for customer that said they had been washed before but 1 4 x 6 apparently hadn't been washed before. Confirmed when I called and asked. It's weird how it bled into just parts of the fringe, not everywhere even though the red fibers are all the way across. Does this mean it had previous chems or that the yarns just weren't rinsed properly during construction? I've already tried fringe cleaner, stain magic, 40 volume peroxide w/ammonia. Is there any hope for removing this red from the fringe? If I have to buy it, can I post a pic to est. value or go with what they want? Thanks.

 

[Ron K]

Kevin a picture of the rug and areas which have bled would help. The why is not as important right now as the "how can we fix this.

 

[T Monahan]

Post pictures front and back.

Alternatively, send me a pictures privately if rather at tom@centrum-force.com

 

[rhyde]

Yeah, really need a pic.


The two things that come to mind are ink used to color the back of the rugs at the fringe common on cheap Indian rugs and an indicator dye issue

 

[ruff]

Could also be urine that causes the bleeding.

 

[KevinL]

I'll go to the shop and take pics. Fairly sure no urine involved.

 

[GCCLee]

Pics?

 

[KevinL]

Didn't make it to the shop last night as the weather started turning for the worse. Here you go if this works.View attachment 3748View attachment 3749View attachment 3750

 

[rhyde]

Yep, It's ink.


Chlorine bleach 1/2 cup and 1/2 teaspoon sodium carbonate (baking soda) to 4 cups hot water apply with a brush or spray bottle give some dwell time and
rinse and neutralize with sodium Thiosulfate.


This works 80% of the time if it doesnt you need to convert the ink to dye with a strong acid then a reducer.
But the easier and quicker solution is to buy some yellow go

 

[KevinL]

Yep, It's ink.


Chlorine bleach 1/2 cup and 1/2 teaspoon sodium carbonate (baking soda) to 4 cups hot water apply with a brush or spray bottle give some dwell time and
rinse and neutralize with sodium Thiosulfate.



This works 80% of the time if it doesnt you need to convert the ink to dye with a strong acid then a reducer.
But the easier and quicker solution is to buy some yellow go

Where do I find the Sodium Thiosulfate? Is there a common use for it?

 

[KevinL]

I found it. Its a bleach neutralizer. What is yellow go and who sells it?
OK i found the yellogo too. It will be here wed. Are you saying to use the yellowgo before trying the bleach?

 

[T Monahan]

Can you imagine using beach? Just remember there is a context in which bleach may be used and a procedure that involves rinse and neutralization.

In the thread: Washing Wool - Shall we talk chemistry and reality? There is context to consider in wool too.

 

[Desk Jockey]

What are you doing to prevent your correction mix from migrating into the unaffected colored area? I'm always concerned as much about preventing further damage as correcting the bleeding.

 

[Zee]

If he has the rug hanging down or laying "downhill" with the fringe being the lowest point, he should be ok to apply the mixture lightly and rinse/neutralize "downwards".

 

[rhyde]

Use a hand brush or spray bottle and don't over wet or soak

 

[KevinL]

If he has the rug hanging down or laying "downhill" with the fringe being the lowest point, he should be ok to apply the mixture lightly and rinse/neutralize "downwards".

That's what I'm doing. Hanging off both sides of table. I hope nothing migrates. Thanks for the help guys.

 

[Ron K]

You can always pre-moisten the area so the bleach won't migrate into the wool area and as stated above always rinse neutralize and speed dry.

 

[T Monahan]

Here is one that may make the inexperienced rug cleaning wet his pants or at least cause a dreadful feeling deep in his gut:

 

[ruff]

Yep, It's ink.


Chlorine bleach 1/2 cup and 1/2 teaspoon sodium carbonate (baking soda) to 4 cups hot water apply with a brush or spray bottle give some dwell time and
rinse and neutralize with sodium Thiosulfate.


This works 80% of the time if it doesnt you need to convert the ink to dye with a strong acid then a reducer.
But the easier and quicker solution is to buy some yellow go

Interesting.
Randy, would Sodium Thiosulfate work better as a neutralizer than sodium bisulfate?

Also, do you use Yellow Go (Titanium Sulfate) or Sodium Thiosulfate to remove dye stains from wool?

 

[rhyde]

I don't use thiosulfate but I think they work about the same sodium dithionite works too

I have yellow go but don't use it very often


Here's one for you Tom

 

[sweendogg]

I kinda of like it when the rug oozes dye. Keeps me on my toes. With luck and fingers crossed, looking forward to seeing your plant this spring randy.

 

[Zee]

So what do YOU do when the rug is bleeding like a stuck pig?

Randy, Ron, David?

Do you guys always use dye stabilizer before washing?

 

[Terry]

once it starts bleeding keep rinsing until it stops.

 

[Ron K]

So what do YOU do when the rug is bleeding like a stuck pig?

Randy, Ron, David?

Do you guys always use dye stabilizer before washing?

All rugs are are different and there fore treated different. I have not found a "Dye Stabilizer" that works 100% of the time. Tom and Randy at least you know what you have in those rugs in those pictures. It's the one that comes up and bite you that pucker me up.

 

[sweendogg]

Terry and Ron hit it, keep the wAter flowing is important, but each rug is unique. Being prepared to strip a rug during wash or changing the pH when needed... Just depends on the rug And how invasive we need to get.

 

[rhyde]

For the most part what others say ..I don’t use dye sets other than acetic acid.

 

[Chris A]

How did it come out Kevin? I've got two in my shop that look similar, almost made me swear off rug cleaning Friday!

 

[Zee]

How did it come out Kevin? I've got two in my shop that look similar, almost made me swear off rug cleaning Friday!

That's ok Chris...you can still make money cleaning rugs from Monday- Thursday

 

[KevinL]

Hey guys. It took 3 weeks to get the yellow go to us because of the snow and cold. It can't be delivered by ups or fedex. Distributor had to bring it. The stuff is magic.eye dropper to the fringe and the color just disappears. Rinsed it out with a hand tool and let it dry. Yellow go is $110 a gallon but it doesn't take much.

 

[Chris A]

I used Randy's bleach mixture on my purple fringes and they turned out perfect as well. THANK YOU RANDY HYDE! I'm gonna get some Yellow-go as well as I keep on my quest of not browning/yellowing fringes...