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I really need some help here. We're cleaning this porcelain floor and getting beaten by it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. There have been some areas that cleaned up perfectly but it's less than 10% of the floor.

The problem is that when we put cleaner down and run the turbo over it it leaves streaks and spots that look like the original soil level. The spots and streaks are being caused by the turbo's outer edge. I'm thinking that the vacuum is drying areas and setting the soil in. We've tried running tight circles to prevent a pattern and to go over the spots immediately after the edge of the tool touches them. Once these spots appear they are nearly unremovable.

We have tried several cleaning products and this is happening with all of them that are strong enough to loosen the soil. After the streaks appear the only thing I've found to remove them, and it only works on some of them, is Oxyblaster mixed at 6.5lbs to a half a mop bucket of hot water.

For cleaners we've tried the following in various strenthes : Oxyblaster, ultrapac renovate, cobbs powermax, clemons degreaser/nuetralizer, purple power, stride neutral cleaner, cobbs acid grout cleaner, floor stripper, viper venom, viper renew, citrus solve.

For removing the streaks we've tried all of the above straight plus the following: Goof off, pig out, cti energy, cyclone, pog, MEK, wd40, liquid brightener, and probably some things I'm forgetting.

The 1st and 4th pics show these "spots". The 2nd shows a line on the right side where it is 2 tone from using different chems. Oxyblaster makes a clean area unmatchable by anything else but won't remove all of the unsightly spots.

We've tried running 800-2500psi, temps from 120-260F.

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Shane Deubell

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I would scrub the heck out of it with 175rpm prior to turbo cleaning. That last pic almost looks like a topical finish is present the way it breaks a part.

We would scrub it with floor stripper and turbo.
 
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I forgot to say that we've been scrubbing with green pads under square scrubs. Scrubbing yields a slightly better result than not but it's marginal at best. Razor blades remove nothing.
 

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People apply some weird things sometimes.
I would probably go with stronger stripper and aggressive pad like black or purple dominator. Move slow...

Once had a simple 120 sqr ft vct that took 8 hours! They put down some wood finish stuff weekly for 3 years :eekk:.

What do they do anyway?
Have run into some strange jobs at industrial sites.

But it might need an acid and scrubbing too
 
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ISO? No topical.

Car dealership that claims to have done nothing to it. I've got a few things being tried tonight like a few "miracle" cleaning products from local stores, cheetahs, a couple abrasive powders, bowl cleaner,ect.
 
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Yes toilet bowl cleaner, we get something called superbowl that is quite strong. It has out performed the other acid cleaners I've tried over the years but is horrible to work with. It didn't work this time.

I haven't gotten report yet on how last night went. I did get some text and photos at 3am showing success on single tiles that we couldn't fix on our 1st few visits. Hopefully the "success" wasn't at 1ft per hour. F this job:hopeless:
 

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ISO? No topical.

Car dealership that claims to have done nothing to it. I've got a few things being tried tonight like a few "miracle" cleaning products from local stores, cheetahs, a couple abrasive powders, bowl cleaner,ect.

Yep, i know exactly what your talking about now. Not sure what it is either, combination of dirt/grease or something.

Test a spot with a mr clean magic eraser, with water only and then with your cleaners.
If it comes right off you can buy magic eraser floor pads that go under a 175 rpm.

I know it sounds weird but its worth a try, think thats what worked for us.
 
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We finished the showroom portion of the job! Jeremy, I'll still call you, curious what you had in mind. We've got about 8k sf of this same tile in other areas to do as well as some ceramic crap

This goes down as one the top 5 toughest jobs we've done. Yesterday we ran 4 and at times 5 turbos, 3 weighted cimex with purple stripping pads, and 2 weighted 175's with spp pads. It took 9 techs from 9am to 10pm just to clean 13,000sf of it. 2 more came in to seal.

Results we're perfection on 90% and about 90% on 10%.

Here is a shot after cleaning with traditional chems and the turbo :http://IMG_20140126_125444_952_zpsbc66577e.jpg

Here is an after shot of the 2nd cleaning with comet gel:http://IMG_20140126_125436_448_zps748a1351.jpg

We really need some work on our image. Too many colors, not a single logo: http://IMG_20140126_125258_234_zps96d3d12e.jpg
 

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Ran into this a few years ago, found it to be the tire shine spray that they would use to make the tires sparkle. We added stripped to our sodium hydroxide mixed and scrubbed then the ode and it came out fine. Cleaning with the turbo and cleaner only wouldn't phase it.
 

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