High pressure

[Matt B]

Could anyone let me know if a sapphire scientific 454 can run two 1000 psi tools at once. I know it's a duel wand machine just never tried two at high pressure. Thanks for any help.

 

[Mikey P]

Not if you want heat.

 

[dealtimeman]

Horse power will be the true limitation.

 

[clean image]

It's not the psi, it's the gpm of your tool require at that psi

Then it will depend on the pumps rating at driven rpm

 

[dealtimeman]

No it will be the horsepower, as he has no way loosing the requirement of pushing that 408 blower while still trying to provide the hp to move the pump at a higher rpm.

I have a ss 2500 hs and it has the smaller blower (406) but has the larger pump (general emperor) and boy oh boy at the higher rpm when you demand 2000 psi out of that pump the engine is working pretty hard to keep up.

That is why sapphire had to go with the bigger blower smaller pump on the 454-460 and the smaller blower bigger pump on the 2500hs. Same power plants just configured a bit different for different primary roles.

 

[JS41035]

The short answer is no. I've tried with several machines to run 2 turbo hybrids. Even at lower psi (800) it really doesn't do well at all. I have tried with a 405 an Apex and a WM direct drive. The 87o is the only unit I've tried that has no problems running two.
But if you have no option you can make them both spin. But in most situations it is faster to have one working at decent heat and pressure than 2 performing poorly.

 

[Mikey P]

Who in heck uses 2000 psi?

 

[GeneMiller]

With all the pressure drop of the 1/4" hose at 100' it's probably only actually 1200 psi. I set the machine at 1500. Never had any problems. Loose grout comes out even at low pressure.

 

[dealtimeman]

Was Iust a test same happens at 1000. Psi.

But I do hit some concrete with the larger steel turbo force at 2000 psi.

 

[Scott S.]

if I had 2 spinners I would tell you what the pro could do but I don't. I do know that the pump on the pro will run 2- 8 flow wands at the same time at 600psi (that's all the higher ive tested it so far)

 

[Scott S.]

460 is 5 gpm (max 1500 psi)
Pro1200SE is 5 gpm (max 1200psi)
2500 hs is 5.6 gpm (max 2500 psi)

 

[GeneMiller]

Since the limit of the 1/4" hose is 3 gallons a minute and a spinner uses less those pumps would probably keep up.

 

[clean image]

dealtileman....that's surprising that 35 hrs bogs that much . Have you asked SS about it? There may be heat exchange backpressure robbing a little HP

I can run 2k and 45 with 31 no problem
my hot shot machine only has 18 hrs and can run 36 and 2500 psi no problem

at 4gpm, gas engine requirements between 1200 and 2000 is around additional 3 HP

 

[Scott S.]

make sure all your filters are clean, if your partially clogged up it will make a larger load on your blower and seem like it bogs down.

 

[Scott S.]

make sure if your running a slide in that your running high octane, as the higher ethanol in the lower grade fuels will rob you some also.

 

[Scott S.]

also check your outlet screen and make sure you don't have any crap in it or any of the filters inline to your tools. (example : my wands both have linline screens before the trigger)

If you haven't descaled in a while also do that. then check all your water screens/filters.

 

[dealtimeman]

dealtileman....that's surprising that 35 hrs bogs that much . Have you asked SS about it? There may be heat exchange backpressure robbing a little HP

I can run 2k and 45 with 31 no problem
my hot shot machine only has 18 hrs and can run 36 and 2500 psi no problem

at 4gpm, gas engine requirements between 1200 and 2000 is around additional 3 HP

the 2500s does not bog down but you can tell that it is working very hard and at near its operational higher specifications is all.

with machine at full rpm at pump set to 2000 psi and you block off the vac port to simulate full hg load the machine will not bog down at all just works harder without skipping a beat, just sounds and feels like the engine is working at the top end of its range.


general pump at 2000 psi at 5.6 gpm will require a bit greater than (gas) 10.5hp alone.

the gardner denver at 14" hg pulling 350 cfm at 4000 rpm will need in excess of (gas) 17hp.

the belt cooler, i can imagine needs a 2 hp (maybe less couldn't find specs)

water pump 11hp
blower 17hp
belt cooler 2 hp

total hp 30 hp


so of the available 35 hp my unit is using 30 hp to run wide open at its operating limits. running and using almost 86% of total power available to run at top of specs. i would love that number to always be under 80 percent but it is close.

this is not a secret and sapphire knows this and this is why they have multiple machines in their lineup to choose from. you pick the machine best suited for your needs and for the scenarios you will be cleaning the most.

the 2500s is more for tile and grout, concrete and other hard surfaces where you might need 2500 psi for a particular type of hard surface job.

sapphire uses the same pump on multiple machines but restricts (by warnings) the psi to 1500 psi to ensure hp to stays in range of specifications of engine.

most people should not even use 1500 psi as this is a very high operating pressure, that WILL cause damage if you don't know what you are doing, i am just listing specs and top ends the machines were design for.

 

[ruff]

Considering that Michel usually ends most of his posts with: "but what do I know, I am just a janitor."
And now all this highly intellectual specialized post.

I feel cheated. That's no ordinary janitor.

But what do I know, I'm just a carpet cleaner.