how would you clean these chairs?? encap or hwe?? pics

[davegillfishing]

i have 400 of the chairs and 300 of the stadium style chairs to be done..i have never encaped chairs but would love to if it will work here..
what would be the best tool to tackle this job..i was thinking of some kind of hand mitt with some encap punch or a right angle drill with a pad or something..
thanks
dave
300 of these, they are all pretty bad

and 400 of these...these are really not that bad at all

 

[ronald pantelas]

It would be great to encap them. You already know hwe results, great but with some wicking problems . I would love for you to post your results after encap procedure. Also excellent supply has a Rota Power Scrub & Clean Drill Accessory for $19.00. You are on a roll with encap procedures in the commercial area. I am thinking Punch prespray, Hydrox encap. Good Luck

 

[hernandez]

It would be great to encap them. You already know hwe results, great but with some wicking problems . I would love for you to post your results after encap procedure. Also excellent supply has a Rota Power Scrub & Clean Drill Accessory for $19.00. You are on a roll with encap procedures in the commercial area. I am thinking Punch prespray, Hydrox encap. Good Luck

I have great great results prescrubing with cobbs encapsulate ds and a tuway pad with my buffer followed by hwe with my pmf upholstery tool and my portable at 100psi with encapsulate in the rinse also

 

[R W]

Man, that looks like a huge PITA, with the hard floor under them and HWE overspraying on the floor. Lot's of drop cloths. Encapping would seem more logical, but will they feel sticky after encapping?

Also.....would the overspray from HWE remove any floor finish, which might cause the owner to complain about his "waxed" floor?

 

[truckmount girl]

XERION Baby...that crap works great on those kind of chairs...REALLY quick too.

Take care,
Lisa

 

[RickL]

I've encapped several just like that and they came out great with Rick's Punch, tuway pads on a drill horse hair brush and plenty of white towels

 

[susansmith]

I can't imagine tackling this without Argosheen.

 

[randy]

XERION Baby...that crap works great on those kind of chairs...REALLY quick too.

Take care,
Lisa

Hi Lisa, I was wondering what type of hand buffer do you use to Xerion furniture ?

 

[Jimmy L]

Enzyme prespray with an oxy booster added then use a furniture tool.
The enzyme and oxy would disolve the drink spills.

Or hose them down with vacaway HOTKNIFE and towel off.
Never had much luck using any kind of drill/brush.Too awkward on your wrists.


Or you could use a cyclo brush machine to scrub and then towel off.


But me I think using HWE with a guy prespraying ahead and you using the furniture tool would be fast. Set them up all in a row and do the assemble line.

 

[Jimmy L]

Just remember you can get those roto brushes at a janitorial supplier or Hesco for about $5 each.

:shock:

 

[R W]

I, along with Jimmy, would like to know.....


......that isn't a porn theater, is it???

 

[davegillfishing]

hahahaha a porn theater..i am going to put on a body condom and get to cleaning..
i can not say were they are just because of lurkers..sorry. i will after they are done and will say what i bid to get the job.

 

[BradFenstermaker]

Dave this will help, use cimex pad or get the small bonnets.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=92623

 

[davegillfishing]

awesome!! i was going to swing in there to put my hands on them to see what seemed to be the best fit.
thanks for the post up..
so you are thinking the smaller cimex pads would be better than the brush? or are they going to act pretty much the same?
dave

 

[Larry Cobb]

Dave;

The drill-driver is OK...

but an adjustable-speed 7" right-angle polisher would be more efficient.

At 50 bucks, it would pay for itself on the first job.

Prespray with film-former DC Encap,

Agitate with 1/2 of a 8" Tuway pad on the polisher.

Extract only if required.

Larry

 

[Jimmy L]

Larry I have that angle polisher and it is no fun to use.

I have NEVER had good results using it since it slings juice all over the place and does a mediocre job while doing it.

You really need something to absorb all those drink/SPERM spills on those chairs.

The tuway hand bonnets will not do it.

You could agitate with the tuways and then wipe down with a cotton hand towel but that is alot of hand work and compared to the effort of just using HWE and a hand tool.

 

[randy]

I have the Harbor Freight unit and it works nicely with fiber plus pads. They are currently on sale for $35 so I'm heading down there tonight to pick up a couple as they only last about a year. Harbor freight also has the 5 gal Hudson battery sprayer for $79. They put them on sale occasionally for $59, which is a value even though the pump is shot in about a year. The pump replacement takes about 10 minutes.

 

[davegillfishing]

thanks for the heads up randy, i will be shopping this weekend.
fairfax va?? i lived in marylans for 33 years before moving to florida.
i and michel worked for normandy carpet care. i moved on to fire and flood resturation when we started to get serious. she ran the show over there for 15 years..scheduled 13 trucks and took care of the customers and baby sat the guys.

 

[DevilDog]

Just let me know where those chairs are going to be and I will be sure to stay the hell away from that place....if you encap them.

Come on guy! Are you a cleaner or a fricken hack!?? Do you have any pride in your work. Did you tell the people that you are cleaning for that you are going to leave 99% of the crap in the upholstery? This encap shit has gone too far. It is one thing to leave all the dirt in a carpet that is walked on...but to do it on chairs people sit on is f'n inexcusable. Seriously, this industry has gone the wrong way.

You can clean those things FAST with HWE is you have even a slight clue how to clean. One guy pre-spraying with Planet Guard (a GREAT safe upholstery cleaner). The same guy using some agitation. And YOU coming by and extracting.

I find the fact that you want to encap something like that to be absolutely DISGUSTING.

 

[truckmount girl]

XERION Baby...that crap works great on those kind of chairs...REALLY quick too.

Take care,
Lisa

Hi Lisa, I was wondering what type of hand buffer do you use to Xerion furniture ?

Variable speed grinder with heavy duty Velcro and a 7" Tuway thin one pad. need a grinder in the 2-3000 rpm range. Takes about 30 seconds to do each one of those chairs, even the really nasty ones. I could make big bucks on 400 chairs like that.

Take care,
Lisa

 

[Greenie]

I'll try an lend a helping hand.

Like Lisa said, get the variable 7" grinder (jimmy will sell his cheap), and then throw the stock "velcro" drive pad away and use the FLAT SMOOTH one that comes with the kit, it's the one for use with self adhesive sandpaper disc.

Then buy some Industrial Velcro, Lisa and I used this, it was the best I've ever seen, "normal" velcro ain't gonna cut it.

http://store.ccsop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=32&products_id=74

If you are super nice maybe John or Patty will sell you a full square piece before it's cut round, so you can make more than one pad driver down the road, cut and piece works here.

Then use some CONTACT cement to stick it, in case you aren't the handyman, you brush on a coat to the back of the vecro and a coat on the smooth drive pad and let it TACK UP for a few mins., then CAREFULLY line them up and roll the velcro carefully onto the gummy drive pad, you only get ONE shot at this. Let it fully cure overnight.

Gorilla glue will work in a pinch, but it's not as good, I used it mainly to repair a feathered edge later as the velcro wore.

Then, get some of those 8" Tuway bonnets but NOT the ones with the green stripes, just the REGULAR all white ones, you will only use one side of the bonnet for about 50 chairs, don't flip it.

IMPORTANT technique note: "feathering" the trigger is the key to making the variable sander wok well, resist the urge to stay on the trigger, or you'll launch juice and bonnets.

And no matter what ANYONE tells you, do not get the "hand mit" type bonnets and try and cut them and separate them in two halves, this is a big no no, it will SHRED. just buy a small box of the regular 8" bonnets they will make you thousands in their lifetime.

Then get some Xerion (xerionsolutions.com) and have at it, once quick spray and one guy buffing and it's 30 sec. a chair like Lisa said.

I suspect that Hydrox from Releasit (excellent supply) would work well in this application too, but I KNOW the Xerion works, just don't over saturate, it's not HWE. a little xerion goes a loooong way.

 

[Jimmy L]

Xerian is overpriced and I doubt it's the "miracle" cleaner you think it is.

 

[GeneMiller]

Todd is right. IT should only take a few minutes a chair to do it right. Hook up the hydro force and prespray the chairs, brush them with a nylon brush and extract. Use 1 large bonnet under each foot and slide them as you clean the chairs and the floor is clean with no extra effort.

Gene

 

[davegillfishing]

the last time i cleaned them it took about 1-1/2 mins per chair..the problem was it was killer on the back and legs big time..the stadium chairs are bolted to the floor and are a real pain in the ass to
deal with when you get past the first row..and the floors are a constant battle to keep dry and need to be wiped clean when done.

and toad i really dont give a shit what you find disgusting....you and your opinion are about as important to me as the shit i am going to clean out of the chairs..i will consider paying attn to your opinions when your company reaches the level of success mine has in 3.5 years..till then you are just another person running his mouth wishing you had the problem of deciding how to tackle this job.
i chose who to listen to and learn from, most of them are successful business owners...that is the only way i can get better..from learning from those that are better. i asked a question and you respond with how i disgust you...

 

[Out of Character - 0]

Production speed is important on those jobs but appearance is to. Sometimes when encapping dirty chairs you come across some that can eat up alot of time trying get the appearance right while other just go by like nothing.

If that was my project I'd handle it as follows: (assuming hose runs are reasonable)

Take the movable chairs and separate them into two categories, encapable and needing hwe. I would hwe the fixed chairs as they look like some could be a problem to encap.

I would have 3-4 upholstery tools running off of 1 tm. For us that would mean 2 2.5 hoses y'd to some 2" then to the tools in the production area.

Dave don't break you back on that, get some helpers and push them through the job. If you don't have the staff on hand, go to a temp agency, I like Manpower. $14hr each for some guys to stand over those things is worth it. You can easily teach them how to operate a tool and that's all they need to know. All the chairs are the same, and you or a member of your staff can oversee them.

 

[davegillfishing]

i was planning on hwe the stadium chairs (they are the really dirty ones) the other chairs are not bad at all..the hose stretch is pretty bad, it takes 6 sections of hose to get to where we need to be.
i was mis leading when i said it was a back breaker, it is not to me but is to my guys. i am always looking for ways to help my guys work smarter and faster but with out compromising the quality of the job. they know that they will be soar the next day but they will also be making about 250.00 each for the days work.. i expect a lot out of them but also want to make sure i am doing everything as smart for them as i can.
thanks for the words..
dave

 

[truckmount girl]

Xerian is overpriced and I doubt it's the "miracle" cleaner you think it is.

Dude, Xerion works awesome on stuff like those chairs and diluted out correctly and applied sparingly like you are supposed to it's cheap as dirt. The concentrate is expensive, but 1 tablespoon makes a gallon ready to use and you can probably use 2 tablespoons or less ready to use solution on each of those chairs.

I would make BANK on that job at $10 a piece for those chairs. If the bidding was competitive I could cut the price by half and still make great money without pulling hose....and the chairs would be ready to use and dry in 10 minutes or less.

BTW: I don't sell the stuff and never have.

And Greenie was correct on everything he posted about the Velcro, except I think the bonnets are 7", not 8", but I might be wrong. NOTHING will make you more money per man hour than Xerion on commercial upholstery. Stuff is just awesome.

Take care,
Lisa

 

[Jimmy L]

Xerion, some janitorial drop in a packet for those morons who can't measure exclusive "water softner" miracle cleaner for stupit peoples.


:shock:

 

[randy]

the last time i cleaned them it took about 1-1/2 mins per chair..the problem was it was killer on the back and legs big time..the stadium chairs are bolted to the floor and are a real pain in the ass to
deal with when you get past the first row..and the floors are a constant battle to keep dry and need to be wiped clean when done.

I hear that ! I did 4,000 chairs in a church once. There were 3 of us and it took 18 hours. By the time we left I felt like I had been in a serious accident. We over did it big time and were glad to be off for a four day weekend. You should have seen us walking into the 24 hour Walmart to buy Ice Hot. It was a few days before I felt normal.

Buy a quality pair of nea pads for large upholstery jobs, and have the Icy hot in the truck.

The enzyme spray from Onyx works great as a pre-encap prespray for the really trashed chairs. I would definatly encap that job.

 

[bob vawter]

anyone remember when i talked that doofus MIKE CHARLES into buying a Mikita...?????