Onfire_02_01
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Are there any rinses out there that contain both phosphates as well as carbonates? Looking for a no residue rinse.
I need a new rinse.
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SamIam
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if you use quality pre-spray and aren't a soap dispensing wand scrubber like many large and small outfits, cut the suggested dilution rate by half or more on any quality "metered thru the machine" emulsifier
with that, I'd focus more on what pre-sprays used.
Cause that's where the lion's share of residue comes from/is left .
Some rinse better/easier than others regardless of the rinse
.L.T.A.
Jim Pemberton
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Are you looking to minimize resoiling? Some products that prevent that still leave the carpet feeling a little stiff.
Are you looking for the carpet to feel soft? Some rinses that leave the carpet feeling soft can still cause resoiling.
Are you looking to leave as little of your product as possible in the carpet? Larry's comment about presprays is important; you'd be surprised how much of it is still in the carpet after rinsing.
Why did you ask about carbonates and phosphates?
J Scott W
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Phosphates are excellent for free rinsing. Not only your prespray but potentially residues from every prespray used before can be in the carpet and need removing. Phosphates are good to help flush those out and hold them in suspension during extraction.
If low residue is the goal, CleanFree works very well. It is almost entirely phosphate.
If low residue is the goal, CleanFree works very well. It is almost entirely phosphate.
Onfire_02_01
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I am looking for a rinse that will minimize resoiling and leave as little "soap" in the carpet as possible.
Thinking about phosphates because of their ability to remove more soil as well as removing residues.
I am thinking of carbonates because they are supposedly doing the same thing as well as acting as a deodorizer and organic stain remover (coffee/urine)
ruff
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How many carpet cleaning products out there do you know that actually contain soap?
Please name them.
Scott, how is the Green Ballance Carpet Cleaner in that regard? Did you know that the SDS sheet on Clean Free, is different when on Interlink than when on Bridgepoint?
Please name them.
Scott, how is the Green Ballance Carpet Cleaner in that regard? Did you know that the SDS sheet on Clean Free, is different when on Interlink than when on Bridgepoint?
Larry Cobb
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Look for phosphates.
Carbonates are not desired.
Carbonates are not desired.
Cleanworks
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Try Procyon. Mostly phosphates.
Onfire_02_01
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Every single one that customer's buy at the store.
I was on interlink and I believe thy have 3 different sds sheets for it. Listing different ingredence.
Onfire_02_01
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Why are carbonates not desired?
Loren Egland
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I have used all of these Hot Water Extraction Detergents formulas (all powders) found on the containers they came in:
Old Product A
Sodium Tripolyphosphate
Sodium Sulfate
Sodium Bicarbonate
Propylene Glycol
Nonionic Ethoxylate
pH 9-9.5
New Product A
Sodium Chloride
Sodium Hexametaphosphate
Sodium Bicarbonate
Sodium Carbonate
Nonionic Ethoxylate
pH 9-9.5
Product B
Sodium Sesquicarbonate
Sodium Sulfate
Sodium Tripolyphosphate
Ethoxylated Alcohol
Sodium Polyacrylate
Product C
Surfactant Blend
Sodium Tripolyphosphate
Sodium Salt
Glycol Ether PM
Sodium Metasilicate
pH 10-10.5 at 1%
Product D
Sodium Tripolyphosphate
Sodium Carbonate
Surfactants
Monosodium Phosphate
pH 9.6
Product E
Sodium Sulphate
Triphosphoric acid – sodium salt
Trisodium Nitrilotriacetate
Ethoxylated Alcohols
Diphosphoric acid – sodium salt
b-Alanine-N-(2-Carboxyethyl)-N-[3-(decyloxy)propyl] monosodium salt
Sodium 2 – Mercaptobenzothiazole
Ready to use pH 9.6
J Scott W
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No professional cleaning products with soap, but many have detergents which in the mind of many is the same thing as soap.
Thanks for pointing out the differences in the SDS, Ofer. I will look into this. I suspect one is an older version. However, our compliance officer is on vacation this week. I left him a message for when he gets back in town next week.
We do also have a SDS for the concentrate and for the ready-to-use version of most of our products. If you carry the concentrate on your vehicle or keep it at your shop, then you need that SDS there. If you only carry in the ready to use version of product to a job, then that is the only SDS you need at the job site.
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Scott what is the best way to use Cleanfree? As a Pre spray I've not had much luck but I have used it as a rinse after using Zone Perfect as a prespray. How long is it effective in my chemical rinse bottle after mixing? I am just trying out Soap Free as a rinse but I've just done a few jobs with it. I still think the End Zone works well and I don't get surprises from something wicking back but I like the selling point of CleanFree. Give us the scoop on the best way to get this to work.
J Scott W
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The CleanFree is going to work well with moderate or soft water. Hard or very hard water reduces the effectiveness of any powder including Clean Free.
It will work best when there are residues to remove. At least you will notice a difference. If there are not much residues present, than the feature is not particularly useful.
As a prespray, use 2 ounces (1 scoop) per gallon of ready to use solution.
As a rinse, the final dilution should be between 1:320 and 1:640. This would be a 2 ounce scoop per 5 gallons of rinse water in a portable. If you use a truckmount with a 5 gallon head pack, add about 2 pounds or a qt. sized container to 5 gallons of water and meter at 3 GPH.
