If money was no object
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carpetsteamer
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Vortex
I would without a doubt buy a Vortex. Now that they are teamed up with BlueLine there are distributors throughout the country that offer technical support.
I was able to use a Vortex for a couple months in the spring and I always wondered what it would be like to use one of the big boys?
Now that I have used it and I have seen the temperature gauge hit 270 degrees was very impressive. The suction that the Vortex produces is out of this world. I dual cleaned with 2 Rx 20's and the temperature did not drop below 250 degrees.
If money was no object I would without a doubt buy a Blue Line Vortex.
The combination of heat, suction and power makes the Vortex the biggest and baddest in our industry.
The only problem I had with the Vortex is that I had to give it back 8)
I would without a doubt buy a Vortex. Now that they are teamed up with BlueLine there are distributors throughout the country that offer technical support.
I was able to use a Vortex for a couple months in the spring and I always wondered what it would be like to use one of the big boys?
Now that I have used it and I have seen the temperature gauge hit 270 degrees was very impressive. The suction that the Vortex produces is out of this world. I dual cleaned with 2 Rx 20's and the temperature did not drop below 250 degrees.
If money was no object I would without a doubt buy a Blue Line Vortex.
The combination of heat, suction and power makes the Vortex the biggest and baddest in our industry.
The only problem I had with the Vortex is that I had to give it back 8)
AT....
I been to the plant, where they make them...there is no better guy then Vlad, he knows his poop, and with the upgrades they have done and how quiet it is....and the fact that they can customize things you may need right there in the shop...(no out sourcing) is a +...
I mean shit they build the box to your specs if needs be...
top of the line right there...
now if only i had the money
I been to the plant, where they make them...there is no better guy then Vlad, he knows his poop, and with the upgrades they have done and how quiet it is....and the fact that they can customize things you may need right there in the shop...(no out sourcing) is a +...
I mean shit they build the box to your specs if needs be...
top of the line right there...
now if only i had the money
Ron Lippold
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Money is no object, just a excuse. I would buy another in a heart beat. I love it.
Jim Martin
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I would get a hold of Schoeny and I would build my own..................
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I will be buying a new TM in February,so this is something that I'm battling with now.
If my plan was to continue as an O/O,I would definitely buy one.
That's not the plan.
I'm relocating,and I want to take advantage of this opportunity to start running a business. Right now, I feel more self employed than anything.
If your business is based on your abilities as a cleaner and customer service rep,then you stand on shaky ground.
My first go at this business ended after 3 months of 2 blocked kidneys(stones) at the same time. $40k in hospital bills,5k per month in expenses (advertising/equip) that kept adding up.That was alot of money in 1994.
I don't believe it would be practical (definitely not necessary) for someone to run a multi truck operation with $80-$90k TM's.
You could buy 2 setups for the cost of one V or AT.
(Judson + new van)
Thanks for letting me sort this out .
If my plan was to continue as an O/O,I would definitely buy one.
That's not the plan.
I'm relocating,and I want to take advantage of this opportunity to start running a business. Right now, I feel more self employed than anything.
If your business is based on your abilities as a cleaner and customer service rep,then you stand on shaky ground.
My first go at this business ended after 3 months of 2 blocked kidneys(stones) at the same time. $40k in hospital bills,5k per month in expenses (advertising/equip) that kept adding up.That was alot of money in 1994.
I don't believe it would be practical (definitely not necessary) for someone to run a multi truck operation with $80-$90k TM's.
You could buy 2 setups for the cost of one V or AT.
(Judson + new van)
Thanks for letting me sort this out .
Blue Monarch
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Vortex. Why? Because I think Blue Line is easy to work with and will treat customers right. Not that I don't think AT would, I just don't know anyone there.
I think Vortex is heading down the right path right now. Hiring Adam was a good move. The pissing match between V and AT is good too. It can only benefit the cleaner IMO. They'll keep one upping each other and we'll keep benefiting. My guess is Blue Line will win the match if it ever comes to an end.
I think Vortex is heading down the right path right now. Hiring Adam was a good move. The pissing match between V and AT is good too. It can only benefit the cleaner IMO. They'll keep one upping each other and we'll keep benefiting. My guess is Blue Line will win the match if it ever comes to an end.
Jim Martin
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I would buy the the Judson Reactor
He is now putting it into a box truck or cube van
The system will be more powerful in vacuum and
efficient in the heating for high flow and pressure. It will also be
built to be FUEL Conservative for savings. With all this in mind this a
win win for manufacture and buyer.
He is now putting it into a box truck or cube van
The system will be more powerful in vacuum and
efficient in the heating for high flow and pressure. It will also be
built to be FUEL Conservative for savings. With all this in mind this a
win win for manufacture and buyer.
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If $ was no option I'd buy a TP52....
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Stay tuned for a unit that will fit on the market right between the typical Butler van and the big V/ATs.
That is where the new Judson unit will sit in a cab-over box van configuration. This truck will be functionally more practical, cost a lot less, and run cheaper than the V-AT. It will dual wand and have exceptional suck and heat.
It is going to be a winner for sure.
That is where the new Judson unit will sit in a cab-over box van configuration. This truck will be functionally more practical, cost a lot less, and run cheaper than the V-AT. It will dual wand and have exceptional suck and heat.
It is going to be a winner for sure.
Jim Martin
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IMO.the first one to give us TRUE duel wanding will be the winner
meaning............
being able to run to separate solution lines and being able to regulate both pressures separately......
one guy doing uph and another doing tile.........
meaning............
being able to run to separate solution lines and being able to regulate both pressures separately......
one guy doing uph and another doing tile.........
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bOB....when did you become a juDSon shill???
How much do they pay?
Does mICKie know you are two-timin' him with them???
I would think this is a BIG conflict of interest with him as the BL/V posterchild....
How much do they pay?
Does mICKie know you are two-timin' him with them???
I would think this is a BIG conflict of interest with him as the BL/V posterchild....
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I've never even seen an AT up close.
I did try the V with Adam a couple of weeks ago and I was impressed to say the least. Dry times wouldn't even be an issue!
If money was not an object, I would definitely buy one.
I did try the V with Adam a couple of weeks ago and I was impressed to say the least. Dry times wouldn't even be an issue!
If money was not an object, I would definitely buy one.
bob vawter
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Josh..don be dippin' in the plate...ya hear?
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Just think Mike said 2 years ago that AT would be out of business in 1 year. Now he thinks 5 years. You will be wrong again.
Dave
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steve frasier
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I think the true dual wand unit is already out there and no one is buying it
if there is a better option out there instead of the Vortex then please tell me before I dump $84,000 because I am getting close
I think if you insulate and panel the Vortex the noise would not be a problem, I could be wrong
If you try to be a complete cleaner and haul around a bunch of equipment the an extended cargo van just isn't big enough I would question the safety of it also then as much as you have to spend for the new unit a few $100 more per month isn't that big of a deal plus the resell value will be much greater
Mike has been pretty honest with me in private so I think Dave is a little off in his comment but it will take BlueLine a little time to catch up to the AeroTech, kind of one reason I have held off a purchasing decision along with the fact that there are 2 service companies and FMI in the area to work on the Vortex
Money is a consideration but it is only part of the equation
I think Ken's business model doesn't support buying big machines and the AT and V are just as reliable as a Butler unit
if there is a better option out there instead of the Vortex then please tell me before I dump $84,000 because I am getting close
I think if you insulate and panel the Vortex the noise would not be a problem, I could be wrong
If you try to be a complete cleaner and haul around a bunch of equipment the an extended cargo van just isn't big enough I would question the safety of it also then as much as you have to spend for the new unit a few $100 more per month isn't that big of a deal plus the resell value will be much greater
Mike has been pretty honest with me in private so I think Dave is a little off in his comment but it will take BlueLine a little time to catch up to the AeroTech, kind of one reason I have held off a purchasing decision along with the fact that there are 2 service companies and FMI in the area to work on the Vortex
Money is a consideration but it is only part of the equation
I think Ken's business model doesn't support buying big machines and the AT and V are just as reliable as a Butler unit
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Chuck I became a Judson shill when I became Judson Canada. Working closely with Les, his brother Dick and his father Judson I am heavily involved in the design and assembly of the prototype and subsequent production units.
I make no apologies for it and I am not hiding anything.
I make no apologies for it and I am not hiding anything.
The Wizard
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I would buy, and will be buying two Aero Techs !
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Ian
I would say you are crazy, but you have the work load for the new units, so that's not a bad move.
In a recent class we had a new carpet cleaning owner that had 2-Vortex's and had only been in the business 2-weeks.
No work and payment for 2-units is a tough way to start out.
He is a sharp businessman and he has the potential to make it, but that's an awful burden coming out of the gate. I hope he makes it, he is a nice guy!
I would say you are crazy, but you have the work load for the new units, so that's not a bad move.
In a recent class we had a new carpet cleaning owner that had 2-Vortex's and had only been in the business 2-weeks.
No work and payment for 2-units is a tough way to start out.
He is a sharp businessman and he has the potential to make it, but that's an awful burden coming out of the gate. I hope he makes it, he is a nice guy!
The Wizard
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Richard, since May of this year we have done no less the $40K and as much as $50K per month with one BIG truck.
We have not been able to actively market our services this year as we could not facilitate any more customers as there is only so many hours in a day we can be of service to them.
We are way over due for our second truck!!!
The Wizard.
PS. Our Vortex will be officially put up for sale December 1st, with a pick up date of May 1st/08.
We have not been able to actively market our services this year as we could not facilitate any more customers as there is only so many hours in a day we can be of service to them.
We are way over due for our second truck!!!
The Wizard.
PS. Our Vortex will be officially put up for sale December 1st, with a pick up date of May 1st/08.
steve frasier
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Ian
the question would be are you going to sell it for more then you paid for it
the question would be are you going to sell it for more then you paid for it
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Steve,
Ian was a sure bet on purchasing a Vortex and has changed his mind. I would talk to him before you go the Vortex route instead of Aero Tech. You may even want to consider his. I owned it before him and can tell you that is one great machine. I would bet he can still get what he paid for it. It's worth $50,000 for sure.
Dave
Ian was a sure bet on purchasing a Vortex and has changed his mind. I would talk to him before you go the Vortex route instead of Aero Tech. You may even want to consider his. I owned it before him and can tell you that is one great machine. I would bet he can still get what he paid for it. It's worth $50,000 for sure.
Dave
steve frasier
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Dave
I have talked to AT and Vortex, a couple times each, each time I talk to the other the deal gets a little better, each will fly me in and put me up in a hotel and feed me for as long as it takes to go through the machine and feel comfortable with it
Each machine has it's plus and minus, AT really needs a single big waste tank and Vortex really needs to have a option to insulate the box
AT would rubber mat the floor for me instead of Rinolining it, Vortex at this time really doesn't seem to want provide something that isn't on the options list
At this point in time AT would have an advantage but loyalty to
local supplier gets in the way, I am sure local supplier could work on the AT if they had to, I could but I don't want to have to do it
I have no complaints with either
I have talked to several used Vortex owners and several that have had used machines, I feel new is the only way to go if I buy a Vortex
at this point in time, I am about ready to abort because I really don't want to wait any longer to get it the way I want it
I have talked to AT and Vortex, a couple times each, each time I talk to the other the deal gets a little better, each will fly me in and put me up in a hotel and feed me for as long as it takes to go through the machine and feel comfortable with it
Each machine has it's plus and minus, AT really needs a single big waste tank and Vortex really needs to have a option to insulate the box
AT would rubber mat the floor for me instead of Rinolining it, Vortex at this time really doesn't seem to want provide something that isn't on the options list
At this point in time AT would have an advantage but loyalty to
local supplier gets in the way, I am sure local supplier could work on the AT if they had to, I could but I don't want to have to do it
I have no complaints with either
I have talked to several used Vortex owners and several that have had used machines, I feel new is the only way to go if I buy a Vortex
at this point in time, I am about ready to abort because I really don't want to wait any longer to get it the way I want it
