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If anything, working at height is an advantage...
Working from 2-4 stories LOWER, definitely affects vac performance....
We’ve got a few lakefront homes with guest cottages right on the lake, my guess would be 3-4 stories down.... I notice a big difference with the blower trying to pull the water uphill...
 
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If anything, working at height is an advantage...
Working from 2-4 stories LOWER, definitely affects vac performance....
We’ve got a few lakefront homes with guest cottages right on the lake, my guess would be 3-4 stories down.... I notice a big difference with the blower trying to pull the water uphill...
yeah I've run 220 ft uphill .. felt like the lil red engine, I think I can... was painful
 
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When pulling uphill you can reduce the lift loss by switching to your smaller diameter hose, and adding a loop or two (like a salmon ladder) to allow water to "jump" up the hill in steps.

Like Dan, we have run into this on Kentucky lake extracting a flood with our former Bane machine.
 

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I have a truck mount in a minivan too. CDS in an Astrovan. I have one 15 story building I do with it and 1 20 story building as well. Good access is the key. I do longer hose runs on some 4 story buildings than a 20 story highrise.
 
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When pulling uphill you can reduce the lift loss by switching to your smaller diameter hose, and adding a loop or two (like a salmon ladder) to allow water to "jump" up the hill in steps.

Like Dan, we have run into this on Kentucky lake extracting a flood with our former Bane machine.
Nice trick Lee... I’m going to put that one in the memory banks....
 

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Personally, I would never run hoses on the outside of a building higher than 2-maybe 3 stories high if the building is along a sidewalk. Way too much liability. Years back, I believe in the 80's, there was a fellow running the hoses up 10 stories (???). Even had a photo of it. Well, unfortunately, the vacuum hose came apart and fell either killing the person below, or extremely hurting the individual. (don't remember which) This lead to a giant law suit (1-800-call-sam!) and that was the end of the carpet cleaner as well.

Wonder if Stockwell, or, Pemberton remembers this accident?

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Personally, I would never run hoses on the outside of a building higher than 2-maybe 3 stories high if the building is along a sidewalk. Way too much liability. Years back, I believe in the 80's, there was a fellow running the hoses up 10 stories (???). Even had a photo of it. Well, unfortunately, the vacuum hose came apart and fell either killing the person below, or extremely hurting the individual. (don't remember which) This lead to a giant law suit (1-800-call-sam!) and that was the end of the carpet cleaner as well.

Wonder if Stockwell, or, Pemberton remembers this accident?

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I always run up the stairwell and tie off the hoses. Thats the problem with a lot of newer highrises. They design the stairwells so that they are not continuous all the way to the top. They have cross over floors and things that make it impossible unless you have something like an Aerotech. Some of these buildings, I've been converting to encap. One 22 story building, I was able to run my hoses through the garbage chute. I am told in some places in Australia, they installed plumbing so that carpet cleaners could have access. Wouldn't be too hard to do, running vertical pvc and a pressure line down to a loading zone.
 

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Portable guys always bring up the one extraordinarly RARE incident

Bane showed burning trucks in their cleaning digest

better not drive to work today.... you could wind up in a 10 car fatality pile up
 

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Personally, I would never run hoses on the outside of a building higher than 2-maybe 3 stories high if the building is along a sidewalk. Way too much liability. Years back, I believe in the 80's, there was a fellow running the hoses up 10 stories (???). Even had a photo of it. Well, unfortunately, the vacuum hose came apart and fell either killing the person below, or extremely hurting the individual. (don't remember which) This lead to a giant law suit (1-800-call-sam!) and that was the end of the carpet cleaner as well.

Wonder if Stockwell, or, Pemberton remembers this accident?

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I don't remember that one, but I could understand how it could happen. I'm not sure vacuum hose could kill someone, though a well aimed quick connect might do the trick if a solution hose came apart.

One issue with our industry stories is that most are spread by trainers. One such trainer (who will be left unnamed) would tell stories about people I knew personally, and when I fact checked I found them to either be complete fabrications or very highly "enhanced" versions of the truth. He probably didn't fabricate them himself (I'm being generous here), but I think he heard them from students...who heard them from trainers...who heard them from students.... it goes on and one.

First hand stories that I know include:

1. One damaged eardrum and multiple deaths of dogs, cats, and one hamster from unattended vacuum hoses. I have heard of a child's death, but never had that one verified.

2. Truck mount fires and explosions. Those were the fun adventures of "yesteryear", and joyfully spread by Bane Clene of course.

3. Three houses burned down, with one death. Two by malfunctioning dry cleaning equipment and one by a thermal fogger used improperly.

4. Too many deaths from carbon monoxide poisoning to number.
 

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Portable guys always bring up the one extraordinarly RARE incident

Hope you weren't referring to me, Radar, because you spewed BS. Ron, running hoses up the stairwell is perfect and I agree. You have to remember, Radar, we also run hoses from our machines as well, so we are on equal ground in that sense. Just making a statement on something called: "Potential liability".

BTW, Jim (Pemberton) I remember seeing the article and picture (If I recall-???-its been so long now) in either a (small) magazine from Southwest (I believe they were out of Texas........back in the 80's) , or even perhaps, Bane-???? This could have been around the time when we used to display at the trade shows at Seven Springs (side note: You and your dad were always next to our booth!)
 
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Years back a LA guy was on the 8th floor cleaning had hoses tied to outside rail. Oh no the rail broke loose falling on the cars in parking lot. I don;t think any people were hurt. Wow almost pulled him out of the room. Don;t remember much else. Hope his liability worked.?
 

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You and your dad were always next to our booth

Of course I remember.

When my father was diagnosed with cancer in 1988 things were still uncertain at the time of that show, and I was sitting alone in my booth feeling despondent and very alone. You took the time to support and encourage me. 32 years later he is in perfect health, and will turn 88 next month with the strength and energy of a man much younger.

I will never forget that Ed.

Thank you again for that moment in time.
 

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