dealtimeman
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Anyone have experience with both?
Anyone have pros and cons of either?
Anyone have pros and cons of either?
Is the prochem apex and sapphire 570ss similar unit?
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Jim Martin
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you are not going to find a better slide in machine then the 570............
Jeremy N
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I know you've talked about this before but can you expound on this a little?
Desk Jockey
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Jim Martin
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Liquid Cooled Kubota ( bullet proff ) engine
General Pumps...( not cat pumps )
Gardner Denver triflow blower.........
its is a great combination and makes a great machine...
we messed around with it a bit at MF...while running a Hoss with high flow jet bars and with the needle valve wide open..we flushed out the carpet and it held 225 at the machine...
dry times are great...could not ask for better........
a well built..well balanced machine....
General Pumps...( not cat pumps )
Gardner Denver triflow blower.........
its is a great combination and makes a great machine...
we messed around with it a bit at MF...while running a Hoss with high flow jet bars and with the needle valve wide open..we flushed out the carpet and it held 225 at the machine...
dry times are great...could not ask for better........
a well built..well balanced machine....
Jim Martin
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nothing to it...
back side hangs over the mounting plate....easy access...
front side sits over the mountimg plate but there is a good size notch in the plate that allows easy access to the drain plug.........
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How often do you usually drain the blower oil?
Jim Martin
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spotman123
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Jim are you saying general pumps are better than cat pumps? What if any difference is there? Thanks
dealtimeman
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Is it the same kubota engine or is it different.
Jim Martin
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IMO they are better built ...good strong pumps....
they can handle running dry for a bit with out damage...
ruff
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There's a lot more Apexes on the road than 570's. So, their track record is more significant and proven.
From what I understand, the Apex has one of the better track records, at least that's what the mechanic at my supplier told me when I was trying to decide which unit to buy. According to him, these machines hardly ever came back to be repaired.
hogjowl
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I'd hate to have to fix anything on either of them. (Here's where the required insult on my mechanical abilities is thrown at me.) They both are too complicated and packed into a maze of wires and excess plumbing.
I hope you live near a distributor that knows how to work on it.
Your chances of finding a competent mechanic is better with the older, over engineered machine (Prochem), since it's been out long enough to build a larger network of EXPERIENCED mechanics.
The newer over engineered machine (Sapphire) has to depend on folks like Jim to handle their long distance trouble shooting.
Jim's a good
Man , but he can only handle so many calls at once.
By the way Jim, I talked to a Sapphire owner from that other board today. He'll be contacting you about his pressure problems.
He should've bough an Amtex.
I hope you live near a distributor that knows how to work on it.
Your chances of finding a competent mechanic is better with the older, over engineered machine (Prochem), since it's been out long enough to build a larger network of EXPERIENCED mechanics.
The newer over engineered machine (Sapphire) has to depend on folks like Jim to handle their long distance trouble shooting.
Jim's a good
Man , but he can only handle so many calls at once.
By the way Jim, I talked to a Sapphire owner from that other board today. He'll be contacting you about his pressure problems.
He should've bough an Amtex.
Jim Martin
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the 570 is not a over engineered machine...it is less complicated then most would consider my Thermalwave to be.....was less.....
as far as phone calls on these machines...only 2 different people have contacted me about things and one of them was more out of the norm from a basic set up..it was never a machine issue.....
the guys you are talking about that are going to contact me are not really having bad issues...but...they are getting bad advice......they are both running 370's..........
Desk Jockey
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Rick said the same about the 570.
SamIam
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I have 2 Prochem 405 I do most of my own work on them, but yes a good mechanic is priceless when its a big fix which is rare.
I know the Apex had issues originally because of belt problems needing replacement often, but it was an rpm issue thats been fixed.
I think the SS570 has a better CFM rating too.
408 blower with 455 cfm over the apex which is the same blower running at 408 cfm.
Probably because the 570's being spun faster which if true could cause more wear.
Everybody always says prochem under spins their blowers!
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I know the Apex had issues originally because of belt problems needing replacement often, but it was an rpm issue thats been fixed.
I think the SS570 has a better CFM rating too.
408 blower with 455 cfm over the apex which is the same blower running at 408 cfm.
Probably because the 570's being spun faster which if true could cause more wear.
Everybody always says prochem under spins their blowers!
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Jim Martin
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pulsating hose.and water pressure problems...
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ruff
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Same combo as the Apex..
Did you find a used one Michael? I might be interested if you decide against it.. It's a great TM!
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I'd encourage anyone looking at new machines to look past the sell sheet and go to the manual for truer performance specs.
Jim Martin
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I am thinking to much pressure and pulsation hose.....
water box over heating and dumping....
not really sure until I talk to them to get more info..........
Desk Jockey
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He told me they would recommend the 570 too. You don't believe him?
ruff
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I'm from the Middle East. We practically believe everything.
After all, we invented three religions. Didn't we?
After all, we invented three religions. Didn't we?
Desk Jockey
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I knew I could count on you Ofer. 
