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Cousin
Guest
For those specialising in Leather, do you work on Vinyl as well.
Is it the same to work on, or do you just not touch it.
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Is it the same to work on, or do you just not touch it.
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Mark Imbesi
Guest
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Jack May
Guest
Personally I try and steer clear of it.
In the early days, I came across a few neglected vinyl suites and they are worse than leather when they get to that state.
Since then, I'm very cautious about taking on any cleaning and have to date declined repairs due to the fact I haven't tried it.
John
In the early days, I came across a few neglected vinyl suites and they are worse than leather when they get to that state.
Since then, I'm very cautious about taking on any cleaning and have to date declined repairs due to the fact I haven't tried it.
John
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Roger Koh
Guest
We do not have much of a choice, if we call ourselves “Leather Specialist”.
What if they are leather/vinyl combination or genuine “Nauga Hides”.
Cleaning & Conditioning:
No difference!
Repair:
Different!
For vinyl, PVC, simulated or hides from “Naugas” also known as Naugahyde®, there is a need for solvent adhesive or heat activated adhesive as a sub-patch and heat cure as a repair compound with micro mesh for added strength.
Refinishing:
Similar to Auto Refinishing!
As for color refinishing leather products like pigColor64™ with matching autoTop62M™ is used with good adhesion, feels and leatherScent'B to enhance it sensuously.
Picture #1 - Leather/Vinyl Combination - white pigmented leather and black simulated leather (before).
Picture#2 - Refinished as Black Pigmented Leather with the classic leather scent (after).
Picture #3 - Simulated Leather (before).
Picture #4 - Custom Refinish to Pigmented Leather “Metallic Effect” with the classic leather scent (after).
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System
What if they are leather/vinyl combination or genuine “Nauga Hides”.
Cleaning & Conditioning:
No difference!
Repair:
Different!
For vinyl, PVC, simulated or hides from “Naugas” also known as Naugahyde®, there is a need for solvent adhesive or heat activated adhesive as a sub-patch and heat cure as a repair compound with micro mesh for added strength.
Refinishing:
Similar to Auto Refinishing!
As for color refinishing leather products like pigColor64™ with matching autoTop62M™ is used with good adhesion, feels and leatherScent'B to enhance it sensuously.
Picture #1 - Leather/Vinyl Combination - white pigmented leather and black simulated leather (before).
Picture#2 - Refinished as Black Pigmented Leather with the classic leather scent (after).
Picture #3 - Simulated Leather (before).
Picture #4 - Custom Refinish to Pigmented Leather “Metallic Effect” with the classic leather scent (after).
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System
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Jack May
Guest
Awesome stuff Roger.
The suites I was referring to were a really deep grained effect vinyl and nothing I could do at the time would bring that deep grime out.
The fact that they were cream in colour, and on a dairy farm combined with little to no care for years, meant a lost cause.
I've come across a few cheaper 'leather' suites from China where the back panels I strongly suspect are vinyl.
Here's a question for you Roger, as the manufacturing side gets clever(er) they are getting better at disguising man made goods to look closer to the original.
In the case of non wear panels on a suite being done in either a split or vinyl, how can you quickly tell the difference?
Or am I clutching at straws because from a cleaning perspective, it's irrelevant, but when it comes to repair, you will be able to see the backing?
John
The suites I was referring to were a really deep grained effect vinyl and nothing I could do at the time would bring that deep grime out.
The fact that they were cream in colour, and on a dairy farm combined with little to no care for years, meant a lost cause.
I've come across a few cheaper 'leather' suites from China where the back panels I strongly suspect are vinyl.
Here's a question for you Roger, as the manufacturing side gets clever(er) they are getting better at disguising man made goods to look closer to the original.
In the case of non wear panels on a suite being done in either a split or vinyl, how can you quickly tell the difference?
Or am I clutching at straws because from a cleaning perspective, it's irrelevant, but when it comes to repair, you will be able to see the backing?
John
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Roger Koh
Guest
These steps are recommended for Simulated Leather extreme soiling (salvage cleaning).
d’Ink7.7™ > clean3.8™ > rinse3.0™ > leatherScent’B™.
It never fails to satisfy, hard to believe or imagine without a “picture” especially on a light color old bike seat.
To identify the difference, first use a magnifying glass to look at the “needle holes” for they are different.
Second with a light stretching, “Simulated is More Elastic” where else “Leather is Less Stretchy”.
Simulated loose it softness with solvent cleaning and as it ages becomes less stretchy stiffer (lost of plasticizer) just like with Leather (lost of fatliquor).
With leatherScent’B™ - non-stick with a classic leather scent always makes the customer smile.
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System
d’Ink7.7™ > clean3.8™ > rinse3.0™ > leatherScent’B™.
It never fails to satisfy, hard to believe or imagine without a “picture” especially on a light color old bike seat.
To identify the difference, first use a magnifying glass to look at the “needle holes” for they are different.
Second with a light stretching, “Simulated is More Elastic” where else “Leather is Less Stretchy”.
Simulated loose it softness with solvent cleaning and as it ages becomes less stretchy stiffer (lost of plasticizer) just like with Leather (lost of fatliquor).
With leatherScent’B™ - non-stick with a classic leather scent always makes the customer smile.
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System
Harry Myers
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Roger . I dont know I think Marc was getting at was mending repairs . Vinyl patching as we say.
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Roger Koh
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Harry Myers said:
Well, that was my reply!
"Repair:
Different!
For vinyl, PVC, simulated or hides from “Naugas” also known as Naugahyde®, there is a need for solvent adhesive or heat activated adhesive as a sub-patch and heat cure as a repair compound with micro mesh for added strength."
Repairs for leather I use the aqueous system without heat (as heat will dry the leather - fatliquor evaporates into thin air).
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jayjacques
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John Middleton said:
The wife and I just worked on a couch & loveseat today sold a few years back to a lady as leather. Right away we were suspicious when we saw 2 tears on the arms, cotton backing and very thin. Put light on it and saw it wasn't leather. Welded a piece of mesh in it just to make sure. (if it was vinyl it would melt; leather wouldn't) It melted right in. Then the question was was it all vinyl or just sections. Sure enough my wife found the tag saying "all man made material". I usually look for frayed edges that have a leather look, or if there is damage vinyl will show differently as it did in this case. Leather usually cracks unless it's been cut or poked. But yeah sometimes it can be confusing.
