Over or under cleaners

[Mikey P]

I spent a couple hours with a long time. Mikey border yesterday. I might trip home and he revealed to me some problems he's having as an over cleaner.

Slow dry times.
Wicking
Browning
Return visits and unhappy customers.

Due to repetitive body stretch issues, he's having to use a rotovac 360 on everything and like most of us he suffers from superhero syndrome and can't take his eyes off that site tube. Which as you know, superheroes keep going until the water runs clean...

He lives in a very dusty area. That's low income and people don't clean every year or decade and he's always trying to perform restoration level work whether he realizes it or not.

I suggested he go back to a lightweight wand and dramatically reduces pressure and essentially just skim the surface of these instances, which are many..

I didn't bother bringing up the low moisture option as this would be way too foreign to him. Much like our friend Mike J from New Jersey...


With all my discussions with cleaners in every market share and every mindset, I find that most don't understand the concept..

Marty will be along shortly to prove my point.

 

[Trip Moses]

Very true. I don’t even turn the pressure up on my truck mount anymore. I’ll run it as low as possible.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

IMO, he’d be better off corn rowing em so he could skim over them with less pressure.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I had a similar conversation with a cleaner I know in the eastern part of my state.

He's got multiple crews, and each technician would be a dream hire for most of you. They started using RX20s years back as a way to stand apart from the competition.

They do a thorough dry soil removal, run airmovers, all the right stuff.

Wicking issues have increased over the years due to the "poly revolution". He made sure recovery tank seals were right, went over everything they did, and he's had to back off with the rotary jet extractors.

Most of his work are yearly cleans in clean homes, and after a six month test with the SS wand, his wicking issues are gone on that truck.

Rotary for restorative cleaning only now.

 

[BIG WOOD]

I’d ask him the basics

“Are you pulling the wand straight back on your wet passes?”

I’ve seen guys who’ve been wanding over a decade doing triangle wet passes

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I’d ask him the basics

“Are you pulling the wand straight back on your wet passes?”

I’ve seen guys who’ve been wanding over a decade doing triangle wet passes

Yeah, he has a big thing about his guys leaving what he calls "witches hats"

Back in the dinosaur days when I cleaned for a paycheck and we had double jute back carpet, those triangles would brown out.

 

[Mikey P]

Only 3%rs can wand worth a damn..

 

[FB7777]

Cleaning is the easiest part of running a carpet cleaning operation

Setting expectations, showing up on time and operational efficiencies is where most cleaners fail


Just picked up a new Butler last week before leaving for vacation

First thing I did was drop the pressure to 400 psi like our other units

 

[Meter Maid]

Sell him a couple Trinity machines and it’ll change his life. If he feels like he must rinse, he can run a pad over after an carpet will not get cleaner than that.

 

[Rick J]

Well, I got the original 2 head way, way back... yes , used for restoration , slower,, BUT dry times good. No need to hold the trigger open..
Like using it a little better than the i .
I also got the i in an auction here a while back.. because it came with the brush head and i wanted to try. loved it, till got stolen. they did not take the heads!!! LOL!
but, looking at the brown stuff getting sucked up, def difficult to hold back on the H2O.

 

[Mikey P]

Cleaning is the easiest part of running a carpet cleaning operation

First thing I did was drop the pressure to 400 psi like our other units

6 flow from 4 jets so a 1.5 orifice..

Imagine the throat punch effect of 3 flow from ( just) two jets.

Sort like comparing your posts after a vacation compared to your posts after a few scotches and reading Marty thread.



Those old lowish profile single jet SteamWay wands had and still have a huge following for that reason... POW!

 

[Dolly Llama]

Slow dry times.
Wicking
Browning
Return visits and unhappy customers.

50%'er



..L.T.A.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

6 flow from 4 jets so a 1.5 orifice..

Imagine the throat punch effect of 3 flow from ( just) two jets.

Sort like comparing your posts after a vacation compared to your posts after a few scotches and reading Marty thread.



Those old lowish profile single jet SteamWay wands had and still have a huge following for that reason... POW!

Back in the mid 70s. there would be wand debates at trade shows:

Hydramaster, with its unfortunately named "Hydrahoe", and Steamway would say that their single, 6-8 flow jet would deliver larger water droplets, thereby creating less heat loss to the carpet than than the three jet wands used by Big Red and Prochem.

The three jet Prochem and Big Red people would reply that by the jets being closer to the carpet, there would be less heat loss due to the shorter distance from those jets to the carpet, based on the lower jet manifold that held the three jets.

The practical people in the crowd would say that the large single jet clogged less......

The cleaners who are still in business today....more fairly their heirs or purchasers of the business...are the ones that showed up on time, groomed themselves better than a homeless person, and didn't raid the refrigerator or proposition any teenage girls in the house.

 

[KevinD]

Back in the mid 70s. there would be wand debates at trade shows:

Hydramaster, with its unfortunately named "Hydrahoe", and Steamway would say that their single, 6-8 flow jet would deliver larger water droplets, thereby creating less heat loss to the carpet than than the three jet wands used by Big Red and Prochem.

The three jet Prochem and Big Red people would reply that by the jets being closer to the carpet, there would be less heat loss due to the shorter distance from those jets to the carpet, based on the lower jet manifold that held the three jets.

The practical people in the crowd would say that the large single jet clogged less......

The cleaners who are still in business today....more fairly their heirs or purchasers of the business...are the ones that showed up on time, groomed themselves better than a homeless person, and didn't raid the refrigerator or proposition any teenage girls in the house.

When I purchased my first two Butler 3 jet wands the 1st. thing I noticed coming from a Hydrahoe was less impact and clean-ability. A lot less carpets got preconditioned back in those days.

 

[Mikey P]

Did anybody ever do any calibrated research on how much heat is lost and 2 in of water travel?

 

[hogjowl]

Some cleaners have it and some don’t.
First step is learning not to talk to you.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

When I purchased my first two Butler 3 jet wands the 1st. thing I noticed coming from a Hydrahoe was less impact and clean-ability. A lot less carpets got preconditioned back in those days.

Back when I met you, I didn't carry prespray on my truck

We just boosted our stock solution with a gallon of fire restoration degreaser...

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Did anybody ever do any calibrated research on how much heat is lost and 2 in of water travel?

There was a group called "The Innovators" that were essentially suppliers who didn't compete with each other that gave free shows that were each a commercial for their company, but really pretty well done.

Kleenrite promoted their heated portable, with the "three jet close to the floor" theory.

Hydramaster of course promoted their single jet "Larger orifice, less heat loss" theory.

One of them had some sort of test that they did with sand to show how much better impact they had.

I think Kleenrite did something with a temperature sensor at the carpet to prove their point.

Data lost in the mists of antiquity of course.

 

[Mikey P]

Some cleaners have it and some don’t.
First step is learning not to talk to you.

and to think you wanted to be Tom's latex salesman...

My influence role through GG is off the fn hook.

 

[Willy P]

There was a group called "The Innovators" that were essentially suppliers who didn't compete with each other that gave free shows that were each a commercial for their company, but really pretty well done.

Kleenrite promoted their heated portable, with the "three jet close to the floor" theory.

Hydramaster of course promoted their single jet "Larger orifice, less heat loss" theory.

One of them had some sort of test that they did with sand to show how much better impact they had.

I think Kleenrite did something with a temperature sensor at the carpet to prove their point.

Data lost in the mists of antiquity of course.

The kleenrite heatrite is awesome. 3250 watts gave us porty dudes a great boost in the heat department, all that was required was swapping out the thermostats from 190 to 240 degrees. Jute backed carpets? You're as old as I am Jim.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

You're as old as I am Jim.

I feel that I am rapidly becoming the Methuselah of the cleaning industry

 

[hogjowl]

and to think you wanted to be Tom's latex salesman...

My influence role through GG is off the fn hook.

Another lie
To be so honest, you lie a lot

 

[Cleanworks]

For years we used portables with pressures from 50 psi to 120 psi. 6 flow single jet wands. It wasn't until heated portables started making an appearance than we started seeing 2 and 3 flow wands. This was because the heater couldn't keep up with anything larger. Low pressure portables were designed to flood the carpet to remove soil that hopefully had been scrubbed off the fiber with a 175 or similar. High pressure portables were designed to blast the soil from the fibers eliminating the need to prescrub.

 

[BIG WOOD]

Another lie
To be so honest, you lie a lot

watch

 

[Mikey P]

Another lie
To be so honest, you lie a lot

Keep telling yourself that from your lazy boy of life.

I would lie my way out of your existence as well..


Today's truth:

 

[hogjowl]

 

[AlienAgent]

Slow dry times.
Wicking
Browning
Return visits and unhappy customers.

I easily avoided all of these issues yesterday morning on an older, white, dog urine saturated, residential carpet by using plenty of peroxide and a microfiber under the Phoenix.

I knew from experience that there was a strong chance of this stuff reappearing if I tried to HWE it. Because it was bone dry in 30 minutes, I reduced that to zero chance.

Why do I still own a truckmount again?

 

[Mikey P]

I easily avoided all of these issues yesterday morning on an older, white, dog urine saturated, residential carpet by using plenty of peroxide and a microfiber under the Phoenix.

I knew from experience that there was a strong chance of this stuff reappearing if I tried to HWE it. Because it was bone dry in 30 minutes, I reduced that to zero chance.

Why do I still own a truckmount again?

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Impressive

 

[AlienAgent]

Impressive

Thanks!

I thought it would clean up well, so I shot about 30 seconds of video and used it for a Halloween promo video for the VLM business I’ve been working on.

Here’s a link to the YouTube channel I made for it.