PowerMax on Concrete

[floorguy]

Does Rob let his members talk to you this way Larry?



or is it just Mikey Boarders who are so hard to please?

now THAT is a great question :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

 

[idreadnought]

I have never overpaid on shipping. Actually I rarely ever pay anything for shipping because I order 400 dollars worth of stuff at a time. Thats not that much really and it saves a ton of money. In the rare event I don't need 400 worth I order from the website that gives an exact shipping price based on total cost of items purchased.

Planning ahead a little will help you out tremendously.

 

[SRI Cleaning]

I think you guys, larry and les, should take Meat up on his side by side test. I think he will do it justice.

 

[Mikey P]

I think you guys, larry and les, should take Meat up on his side by side test. I think he will do it justice.

I agree as these two powders are the board favorites.

 

[dday]

I have never overpaid on shipping. Actually I rarely ever pay anything for shipping because I order 400 dollars worth of stuff at a time. Thats not that much really and it saves a ton of money. In the rare event I don't need 400 worth I order from the website that gives an exact shipping price based on total cost of items purchased.

Planning ahead a little will help you out tremendously.

I really do not want 5 buckets of a bum batch of PowerMax to slug through. Larry has acknowledged in this thread that he has had inconsistent Powermax ingredients arrive from his suppliers. It is obvious to those who have received bad batches of Powermax that Cobb does not test each batch before shipping it out to their customers, but rather sends it out hoping that no one complains. Until Cobb's quality control issues are solved, loading up with 220 pounds of PowerMax to get free shipping is too risky. I agree, $400 is not too much for a quality product. But $400 is way too much to spend on an ineffective batch of anything.

 

[floorguy]

then pay the extra shipping???

how exactly to you propose he checks a raw batch of product, that he probably orders 1000lb or more at a whack???

its not a perfect world, and if i can save 20-60 bucks a pop to have it delivered, then i will...and when that bad batch comes, i will piss and moan at them and get a credit or discount the next time i order....

 

[Mikey P]

We are always up to a "side-by-side test"
@ an equivalent dollar amount of product.

if you want to send me a sample pint and Les sends me a pint, I'll side by side them on a trashed sec 8 rag

I've tried the 1st and 2nd S&G formulations, but I understand they've tweeked it a third time
(after Harper gave Les some feed back)
so i don't know what the 3rd generation S&G will do

and I've never tried Powermax

so if ya'll want to send me a pint each, I'll "personally" side by side them .
I don't have any bias for or against either product or person.
Truth is, I'd call it as I see it even if it belonged to rotovac...whom I DO have a bias AGAINST


..L.T.A.

In the works

 

[Willy P]

Larry, It wouldn't be "pint vs pint" though, as S & G I believe costs more than double powermax, Larry Cobb said "dollar for dollar" more like 6 oz of Slop vs 16 oz of Pm. At least that's the way I understood.

i can dig it, Joe
I'd be square about it and mix RTU "dime for dime" amounts

I've tried some of Larry's products and found his dilute rates to be higher than really needed.
By contrast, I've tried some of Les's products and found them not effective enough at the dilute rates he suggests and needed more product.
To be fair to Les, nearly ALL the dilutes rates manufactures tout are lower than what's needed for soiled carpets .
Larry seems to be the odd one

Why do you not like Rotovac?

it's a long story, Mike
But i was lied to.
I couple/three years ago I wanted a HF electric sprayer to replace ours that was looking a little ratty/beat up for res work
I knew HF discontinued the model i wanted (they were hawking the new Omni)

RV had one listed on their website (still do)
I called and the salesman he said they had them "in stock"...cool.
so I specifically asked him to "physically" check stock.
Cause I "knew" they had been discontinued for some time and weren't available.
(I had to talked to several suppliers that had them listed before i called RV)

"yessir" he assured, they have them "in stock"
Cool beans , so i gave them my card number and bought one.
i got a call 20 minutes latter saying they couldn't get any cause they're discontinued .

"OK, Skippy, I knew that ..so WHY DID YOU TELL ME YOU HAD THEM IN STOCK!?!?!
I asked you to PHYSICALLY check stock!!
YOU said you HAD THEM!!
YOU charged my card and didn't have them.
refund my money NOW!"

"will do", he said
" it will take appx 3 days before the refund to you card shows up"


"Get a manager on the phone , please" i asked

told the dude what happened and how I was VERY upset .
The dick brain tries to sell me another elect sprayer for $270.
i look at the site while on the phone and see it's that cheap Chinese POS Hudson sprayer .
i lost my cool and went off on the dick head ..told him I could buy that same Chinese PIECE OF SHIT at Harbor Freight for $75 bukz ..then hung up.

I'll never buy a damn thing from those fcks
YEA YOU ROTOVAC !!
I don't GAS if you're a sponsor here or not
You're a bunch of PUKES as far as I'm concerned

have a good day


..L.T.A.

See MEaT - I knew my diplomacy course would work! (now if I could just teach you how to fish......

 

[Willy P]

The boys used to use PowerMax exclusively, had to go back to ProChem's stuff for consistency after a bad batch. We may try it again.

I hate to use my customers for guinea pigs with ever changing chemicals, especially when I don't know it's coming.

Lee, I'll get on posting some pics of some liquid slurry that was seperated and ineffective. Both the vendor and Prochem refused to take it back. Instead, they offered me a gallon to replace the 5 gallon pail I bought.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Larry, It wouldn't be "pint vs pint" though, as S & G I believe costs more than double powermax, Larry Cobb said "dollar for dollar" more like 6 oz of Slop vs 16 oz of Pm. At least that's the way I understood.

i can dig it, Joe
I'd be square about it and mix RTU "dime for dime" amounts

I've tried some of Larry's products and found his dilute rates to be higher than really needed.
By contrast, I've tried some of Les's products and found them not effective enough at the dilute rates he suggests and needed more product.
To be fair to Les, nearly ALL the dilutes rates manufactures tout are lower than what's needed for soiled carpets .
Larry seems to be the odd one
..L.T.A.

Larry;

The PowerMax was shipped today.

Find some filthy carpet with numerous stains for a good test.

For dollar to dollar:

2.59 oz/ gallon of PowerMax

vs.

1 oz/gallon of (other brand)

Thanks for doing the side-by-side testing.

Larry

P.S. Please compare the fragrance after cleaning also.

 

[Dolly Llama]

The PowerMax was shipped today.

Find some filthy carpet with numerous stains for a good test.

For dollar to dollar:

2.59 oz/ gallon of PowerMax

vs.

1 oz/gallon of (other brand)

Thanks for doing the side-by-side testing.

Larry

P.S. Please compare the fragrance after cleaning also.

will do Larry
Thanks

help me with the math though

what's the price pr oz (unmixed) for your product"

and I'm assuming since I don't see a dollar sign, that this>>> 2.59 oz/ gallon of PowerMax, means a shade over two and half oz pr gal RTU ratio??



Les, are you going to send me a small jar of S&G?
i don't have the latest formulation ...the second generation stuff i have doesn't have any blue stuff in it.
I'll pay for it if you want me too..that's cool


..L.T.A.

 

[dealtimeman]

Picked up some fresh powermax today. Will be doing some nasty commercial work on Sunday. I also wish I could do some side by side with the updated s&g.

Lately I had mixing both older editions together with good results.

 

[Leslie Judson Jones]

[quote="Larry Cobb":35wgr19s]

The PowerMax was shipped today.

Find some filthy carpet with numerous stains for a good test.

For dollar to dollar:

2.59 oz/ gallon of PowerMax

vs.

1 oz/gallon of (other brand)

Thanks for doing the side-by-side testing.

Larry

P.S. Please compare the fragrance after cleaning also.

will do Larry
Thanks

help me with the math though

what's the price pr oz (unmixed) for your product"

and I'm assuming since I don't see a dollar sign, that this>>> 2.59 oz/ gallon of PowerMax, means a shade over two and half oz pr gal RTU ratio??



Les, are you going to send me a small jar of S&G?
i don't have the latest formulation ...the second generation stuff i have doesn't have any blue stuff in it.
I'll pay for it if you want me too..that's cool


..L.T.A.[/quote:35wgr19s]
Joyce called you today to get update shipping info but your box is full. can you call Joyce thanks

 

[daniel@procarpet]

This should be good!

I can hardly wait.

The suspense is killing me already.

 

[Goomer]

Let's not all forget, that although the results may be interesting, they are relative to the conditions of the water in Ohio, and the composition of the predominant soils in the area.

Still a worthwhile test.

What will be the dwell time on each product??
Since Powermax contains enzymes, and enzymes supposedly require a little more dwell time, I would think that the agreed dwell time for both products would be towards the longer amount of time, as opposed to the shorter.

 

[Dolly Llama]

I'll list the protocol in detail when i do the side the by sides, Frank .


as far as dwell time, application rates, etc...I plan to do everything just like we do when cleaning a typical rathole
I don't know how every other outfit cleans, I do know there's poor, good, better and best outfits out there..
I figure we do things pretty much the same way as most every other "better" BD outfit does


the only different things I do when doing sides by sides, is paying greater attention to "precise" measurements when mixing and application rates ..
examples..No "about" a gal of RTU applied to 100 sf , no "heaping" scoops
No mixing from the TM where the Dry Slurry or HeatWave emulsifier can skew the mix
Running the wand as exactly the same as possible, etc .
there'll be no agitation either (manual nor mechanical)

other than that, everything will be pretty much "real world" cleaning (real world to "us")
and hopefully we'll have several trashed sec 8's with different carpet types in the same week

For the record, I don't have a dog in this fight, I like both Larry and Les.
(whether they believe it not )
I'm doing it as much for "me" as anyone , cause I'll compare them to "our" current "heavy hitters" too

Lastly, I'm one of those guys that doesn't pay much attention to what a chem costs.
Most of the chems on our truck are in the upper tier price range ..because they've shown to work best for us .
I learned long ago not to be penny wise and pound foolish !gotcha!


..L.T.A.

 

[Mikey P]

For the record, I don't have a dog in this fight, I like both Larry and Les.
(whether they believe it not )

they dont.