Read the Directions

[Spurlington]

Better read the directions everytime you open up a new container of something incase they change it up. You wouldnt want to over/under use any given product.

I love using this stuff .. pic 1 is my 1st gallon, pic 2 is a new gallon !! Am I whacked or are the directions of use a little confusing? I use in a Hydroforce sprayer. This shit is like $50 a gallon.

I called and spoke to the chemist .. he says follow the origional directions. I asked if the new gallon is watered down which may be why they direct you to use it straight. He says no. Im like, I want to use the maximum dose without waste. Hes like well the more you use, the better.

 

[dgardner]

That is confusing!

 

[Russ T.]

What's the product?

 

[Spurlington]

Bio Charge


Read the Directions Russ - haha !!

 

[D Luke]

Mixing directions are often confusingly inconsistent in this industry.

 

[TimM]

It looks like on the first label you had to mix Bio Charge with another Premium odor counteractant for it to work, and on the second label it looks like you don't need the Premium odor counteractant.

 

[Dolly Llama]

Mixing directions are often confusingly inconsistent

so are Hydro-Force sprayers
They vary individually and which product is used and they vary depending what psi and heat the TM is running on

yea, we use one at times because they're convenient ..but that's all the good i can say about them


..L.T.A.

 

[Blue Monarch]

Agreed on variance of HF's. What sprayer are you using meat? Pump up, rechargeable or plug in? I need to make a change at some point.

 

[Dolly Llama]

Pump up, rechargeable or plug in?

Pump-up for back-up.
small 1/2 gal (?) HM pump for upl

5gal 12vt rechargeable I bought from Tractor Supply .

No longer available though



The one they replaced it with isn't the same..the pump on it is in the spray-gun and doesn't deliver enough volume

if i worked alone, and/or when we do use the HF, it's always with liquid juice and always the same juice (Ultrapac)


..L.T.A.

 

[Blue Monarch]

Yup, I checked TSC hoping for the best. What they had seemed like junk. Heck the battery wasn't even capable of emptying the entire tank based on the directions, so I took it back.

I need to find something though. More and more I have a helper and the HF just isn't a good option for a two man crew IMO.

 

[BradFenstermaker]

Kirk checkout Northern Tools Never pump 5 gal battery sprayer

 

[Dolly Llama]

Heck the battery wasn't even capable of emptying the entire tank based on the directions, so I took it back.

the one they "used" to sell, (for only $99 bukz) which is the one i have squirts 40-50 gal on a charge.
the wand is tin-willy crap...but easily changed to a good one (which i immediately did)

when i went to buy another one, i saw it was discontinued and replaced with something not even close to same kind of pump.
Didn't bother to read any other specs beyond the .33 GPM flow

I need to find something though. More and more I have a helper and the HF just isn't a good option for a two man crew IMO.

unless you can hose down the whole joint while the wingman sets up everything else, a HF isn't so efficient .
if the wand has to stop to pre-spray, may as well throw dollars out the window
...it's anathema to me for the wand to stop w/two man crew without a damn good reason ..."pre-spraying' doesn't qualify as a good reason when there other options available


next sprayer I try will likely be that Chinese POS Hudson sprayer .
Not to pee-off the advertisers/distys here, but I'll buy it from Amazon cause it's a HUNDRED or more le$$ for the exact same sprayer ..plus free shipping

Or maybe get a Mytee knowing ahead of time/expecting to redo the leaking fittings

..L.T.A.

 

[Nate The Great]

the one they "used" to sell, (for only $99 bukz) which is the one i have squirts 40-50 gal on a charge.
the wand is tin-willy crap...but easily changed to a good one (which i immediately did)

when i went to buy another one, i saw it was discontinued and replaced with something not even close to same kind of pump.
Didn't bother to read any other specs beyond the .33 GPM flow

..L.T.A.

I like these ones.....

 

[Dolly Llama]

I like these ones.....
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had an electric one
it's the BEST ever sprayer in the history of the world

HUGE opening to mix chems
3 gal size is the "sweet" spot for most average size jobs
ability to drop in 1 gal jugs to spray specialty chems
Not over large

only needed a few mods to make it perfect

get rid of the toggle switch that begs to get busted off and use a rocker
a place to store/hold wand vertically.
slightly wider feet


instead, they discontinued it and replaced it with the over large for capacity Omni thing

with the evolution to light wt hi Ah li batteries all the power tools now use...don't know why some got getter like Conway hasn't put one together ..instead of monkeying around on a $1000 Ti knockoff w/swivel hED and adjustable jets that are going to get knocked, bumped, busted or bentalltohell


..L.T.A.

 

[KevinL]

I like these ones.....
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Pretty hard to find since being discontinued years ago. I'm keeping mine alive with new feet glued on about every other month and new battery every year. And for the last time I'm telling you when totally full they hold 4 gallons.

 

[Johnny]

Been pimping Multisprayers for ten-plus years. Bigger pumps and wands.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

I like these ones.....
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I have this one. Converted to use 18v Ryobi batteries. Looks factory.

 

[Nate The Great]

I have this one. Converted to use 18v Ryobi batteries. Looks factory.

I was just being a jackass to @Ruff Hewn and @KevinL ... I have 2 of those electric models sitting collecting dust and a new old stock shells for it.. If I ever clean them up, I'll use them again.. I still use that big Omnipro/flexipro sprayer...

 

[Dolly Llama]

Been pimping Multisprayers for ten-plus years

Multi is a great sprayer ..absolutely, unequivocally one of the best
wish it held more than 2 gal though

..L.T.A.

 

[J Scott W]

Bio-charge is a bacteria / enzyme combination. Under best conditions any bacteria product will double the number of bacteria present every 20 minutes or so. Start with 1 million bacteria; mix with warm water; give it a food source and 20 minutes later you have 2 million bacteria producing enzymes and working to digest the food source (urine, for example).

Now you could start with half a million bacteria (meaning more diluted) and it would be 20 minutes behind the time it took for 1 million bacteria to get the job done. You could also start with 2 million bacteria (less diluted) and be 20 minutes faster.

2 Points to be understood. #1 Under good conditions, the exact dilution is not critical to how well it works but will effect how fast it works. If you are applying and going to do something else for a while, maybe even leaving the product to work over-night, the dilution is not that critical. If you are applying and waiting for it to wait, use straight or as concentrated as you feel is needed for the job and get it done faster.
#2 The conditions - temperature, humidity, apply to reach all the food source, no extremely high or low pH - are more importna than the dilution in how well the product works.

Folks doing the Bio-Charge label (not me) have tried to keep the instructions matching what most cleaners are doing in the field. The product did not change. Either set of directions will work. Newer directions reflect how customers are telling us they are using it.

Regarding the addition of a deodorant
This is purely personal opinion. Bio Charge greatly speeds up how fast urine decomposes. When anything decomposes, it creates an odor. You can help cover / reduce that odor by adding a quality deodorizer. What fragrance and how much is up to you. Fresh air ventilaTION WORKS WELL, TOO.

 

[hogjowl]

Multi is a great sprayer ..absolutely, unequivocally one of the best
wish it held more than 2 gal though

..L.T.A.

Being the smart guy I am, I bought a second jug.

 

[Spurlington]

Bio-charge is a bacteria / enzyme combination. Under best conditions any bacteria product will double the number of bacteria present every 20 minutes or so. Start with 1 million bacteria; mix with warm water; give it a food source and 20 minutes later you have 2 million bacteria producing enzymes and woreking to digest the food source (urine, for example).

Now you could start with half a million bacteria (meaning more diluted) and it would be 20 minutes behind the time it took for 1 million bacteria to get the job done. You could also start with 2 million bacteria (less diluted) and be 20 minutes faster.

Ok this in this scenerio using more product seems to work faster. But Im not worried about how fast it works as much as how much work it will do. At $50 a gallon Id like to use the least amount possible to get the most work done.

Folks doing the Bio-Charge label (not me) have tried to keep the instructions matching what most cleaners are doing in the field. The product did not change. Either set of directions will work. Newer directions reflect how customers are telling us they are using it.

How do the labelers get their information? Are they really relying on the customers to dictate dilution rates on the labels? This would be the first Ive heard how labeling is done. Id rather rely on the chemist relying on results from a testing facility. I must be missing something here.

I guess Im still looking for how much to use without over using and without time being an issue. Thanks !!

 

[Lee Stockwell]

They get feedback from knowledgeable industry beta testers.

Even guys like me.

 

[Dolly Llama]

Being the smart guy I am, I bought a second jug.

do they come with a wider mouth jug?
I'm messy..AND lazy.
but might consider them again for everyday use if the mouth jug was wider

..L.T.A.

 

[Ray Burnfield]

We sell the Multiclean Penguin battery sprayer.
Charged it will do 15 gallons before a recharged.
Very few problems.
$630.00 list price

 

[Johnny]

do they come with a wider mouth jug?
I'm messy..AND lazy.
but might consider them again for everyday use if the mouth jug was wider

..L.T.A.

Four jugs and a funnel.

 

[Clean Response]

Hes like well the more you use, the better.

The better for them... They sell more