CanadianRuss
Supportive Member
Anyone other then Mark giving these products a try?
Saiger Sauce
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FB19087
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I have to ask...........why would you want to? Is your current juice not doing what you want? Have you tried a prespray known for working across a broad spectrum of stains/soils? (powermax, flex, etc)
I haven't seen any examples that show results different than what I would expect from a good prespray.
Just seems silly to order a bunch of shit you have to mix up with great products out there that you don't
sorry Mark
I haven't seen any examples that show results different than what I would expect from a good prespray.
Just seems silly to order a bunch of shit you have to mix up with great products out there that you don't
sorry Mark
CanadianRuss
Supportive Member
Always willing to try something new. You do have a point
Mark Saiger
Mr Happy!
Harvard is looking to do a promotion here in the near future. In the mean time, the items are not something I am pushing or promoting.
I of course use the mix and others had contacted Harvard Chemical curious what I use and they out together some starter packs and sample packs.
You can contact me of you have more questions I might be able to address
I of course use the mix and others had contacted Harvard Chemical curious what I use and they out together some starter packs and sample packs.
You can contact me of you have more questions I might be able to address
Nampa Carpet Cleaning
Member
Grime Release Pro is some heavy duty stuff. Most of the top brands are close to equal in results based on my experience.
hogjowl
Idiot™
Grime Release Pro is awesome.
So is cancer.
So is cancer.
dealtimeman
Everyday is Saturday.
Spoke to Mark about this today.
For a crew or employees or just to make it a no brainer, his Chen brew is great as it takes care of almost any situation you can come across instead of mixing for every job.
For a crew or employees or just to make it a no brainer, his Chen brew is great as it takes care of almost any situation you can come across instead of mixing for every job.
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FB19087
Guest
So it's like power max except your get to mix it up yourself?
Mark Saiger
Mr Happy!
A few of the properties in the mix help with some of our soils a bit faster up in our area....(but I do not condone everyone to just start mixing chems without some guidance from a chemist)
We really did not create this to promote or do something with originally except to make our cleaning easier...
Our location, you cannot get great chems that easy...(but it has become easier since our first run of creation of this 7 years ago....)
We only started talking about it more (or the internet did for us) as people who saw our cleaning videos or pics started to call Harvard and ask what we were using.
We really were not out to keep it a secret, but also were not out to promote it....
We even thought something better than having our name on it might be better (feels a bit arrogant having our name associated with it)
But, I also want to say, my brother Kirk is the engineer in the family with chemistry background....so he is the one who really put the effort into the mix....I'm just the mouthpiece in the family...
Again, not really out to do FREE promoting here on the forum out of respect for the forum, and if Harvard gets on board here (which I have heard they are working on the next years advertising budget) I will do my part to help them and other cleaners....
We have just found in our testing against the products we get our hands on, that this will clean faster a number of times, we are finding good removal of the chems, and we are getting down to a neutral state once rinsing has been done. We have also tried to improve it yet, but not found something better for us.
As far as the mixing...we have tried to have things blended but it adds sometimes to the expense...and also, it has taken away some of the effectiveness of the current formula...
We also talked about getting it all into one drop in dissolve pouch or convenience mix pouch...to much expense...
So, that is as quick of explanation on all this I can do...and I am really not out to attract more attention for the product with respect to Mikey and Fred and this board....
But thank you for those of you who have had an interest in the products, my family and of course Mikey's Board.
We really did not create this to promote or do something with originally except to make our cleaning easier...
Our location, you cannot get great chems that easy...(but it has become easier since our first run of creation of this 7 years ago....)
We only started talking about it more (or the internet did for us) as people who saw our cleaning videos or pics started to call Harvard and ask what we were using.
We really were not out to keep it a secret, but also were not out to promote it....
We even thought something better than having our name on it might be better (feels a bit arrogant having our name associated with it)
But, I also want to say, my brother Kirk is the engineer in the family with chemistry background....so he is the one who really put the effort into the mix....I'm just the mouthpiece in the family...
Again, not really out to do FREE promoting here on the forum out of respect for the forum, and if Harvard gets on board here (which I have heard they are working on the next years advertising budget) I will do my part to help them and other cleaners....
We have just found in our testing against the products we get our hands on, that this will clean faster a number of times, we are finding good removal of the chems, and we are getting down to a neutral state once rinsing has been done. We have also tried to improve it yet, but not found something better for us.
As far as the mixing...we have tried to have things blended but it adds sometimes to the expense...and also, it has taken away some of the effectiveness of the current formula...
We also talked about getting it all into one drop in dissolve pouch or convenience mix pouch...to much expense...
So, that is as quick of explanation on all this I can do...and I am really not out to attract more attention for the product with respect to Mikey and Fred and this board....
But thank you for those of you who have had an interest in the products, my family and of course Mikey's Board.
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FB19087
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I don't care if you promote it......hell I thought Harvard was an advertiser.
I wouldn't recommend mixing a bunch of shit from any chemical line, Cobb, Sapphire, BP, etc in hopes of making a superspray.
None of them......
How many presprays have you made side by side comparisons to?
I know you used it before becoming a distributor but since you say having it mixed would add to the expense, which really shouldn't matter if it is the bestest prespray ever, how much does any discount you may get as a Harvard distributor play into the decision to use an entire chem line as your everyday juice?
I wouldn't recommend mixing a bunch of shit from any chemical line, Cobb, Sapphire, BP, etc in hopes of making a superspray.
None of them......
How many presprays have you made side by side comparisons to?
I know you used it before becoming a distributor but since you say having it mixed would add to the expense, which really shouldn't matter if it is the bestest prespray ever, how much does any discount you may get as a Harvard distributor play into the decision to use an entire chem line as your everyday juice?
Mark Saiger
Mr Happy!
Harvard helped at the Mikey fest give away, so a bit of contribution here I guess...
For side by side comparison....about 14 different company product lines that I can think of off the top of my head (but not every one of their products) ... and of course, every company seems to be coming out with something new lately...so have not had the chance to test against....also, we tend to test in house before running out to use on a persons place....run ph tests...see what it will do as we trash walk off rugs (indoor home type carpets) in the shop...or just our personal homes...ECT....and I have another product that just arrived on Saturday we are going to test and test against.
On some trashed restaurant work, we will do a lot more side by side as we like to see how they work... how long it seems for each product to work (dwell time)
Decision to go with Harvard at the time, we do get a discount as a distributor, but then the shipping factor eats up a lot of discount (which still helps though) and then also the availability working with Harvard in addressing some of our Cleaning needs (with chemistry changes or additions to the line)....it was just a comfortable situation working with them.
We are not saying that these other chemical lines will not perform...we just find this formula is working best for us....and Harvard was willing to work with us and our needs...
When we were using some other chemical lines products, we were seeing sometimes changes having been made in formulas, and then they were not performing for us....so we just went to Harvard, because again, they would listen to our concerns with those products and help us get what we needed....
I still carry other products on the van too, some for further testing and some products I just do like....
Mikey P
Administrator
I use to have a Mikey's Blend back in the ICS days.
May people tried it out and got good results.
We all decided it was too much of a hassle.
and a nightmare if you run average employees.
May people tried it out and got good results.
We all decided it was too much of a hassle.
and a nightmare if you run average employees.
renegade_cowboy
Member
I don't think I have ever seen Mark self promote or self brand himself.. 
dgardner
Moderator
I think Mark is nuts for telling us (and potential competitors) how he makes his sauce. Just proves what a genuinely nice guy he is....
And Mark, if a Saiger came up with it then Saigers Sauce it is!
And Mark, if a Saiger came up with it then Saigers Sauce it is!
ruff
Member
Mark always generously shares his knowledge, with both grace and good will.
Through my career and trials I found out that most of the good manufacturers products do a great job. And beside the occasional need for a boost are well formulated. You do have to use the right products for the cleaning at hand. However, I never could tell much of a difference between different (quality) manufacturer's products, judging by the end results.
But then, I don't specialize in trashed carpet and stay away from restaurants. Cleaning them, that is.
Through my career and trials I found out that most of the good manufacturers products do a great job. And beside the occasional need for a boost are well formulated. You do have to use the right products for the cleaning at hand. However, I never could tell much of a difference between different (quality) manufacturer's products, judging by the end results.
But then, I don't specialize in trashed carpet and stay away from restaurants. Cleaning them, that is.
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I've seen how skinny you are Ofer- You do stay away from eateries. I've seen more meat on a toothpick after dinner at Mikey's.
ruff
Member
Oh, I so wish you were right.
All this beer, age, love of food and lack of physical exercise (in case you were wondering- carpet cleaning isn't) do leave their mark.
All this beer, age, love of food and lack of physical exercise (in case you were wondering- carpet cleaning isn't) do leave their mark.
Mark Saiger
Mr Happy!
dealtimeman
Everyday is Saturday.
I think it is great for those that feel they would like direction as to what Prespray to use and it's overall readiness or potential for any condition of soiling they may encounter.
I see it as an easy way to get a multi van company to level out their results (when it comes to chems) to make sure all crews are using the same stuff that can handle an array of different scenarios.
If the mix is mixed up at the shop in 3 gallon batches then there is less for the tech or techs to think about when it comes to what they will use on each job. All it does is an attempt to make the operation during the day go smoother with a predictable Prespray that mark knows will work.
It requires prep time at the shop to get it ready but the some prep must be done on each job anyways. Min difference is instead of getting to a job to see what is going to be needed, mark has a ready to go justice for anything he might encounter therefor reducing the amount of Chem jugs he needs to carry on the truck. The. The tech only needs to tend to how much Prespray he will lay down and at what concentration. And that is why I believe mark runs adjustable hydroforces.
People are interested in marks Chem mix because he is very successful and people always want to copy or emulate successful people, me included.
Why do I need to go and test all the presprays in the world when a guy I trust says hey use this mix it works, and it works well every time.
Ease of use and quality of results are huge.
I tried the pet stain off (from marks recommendation) from Harvard AND I AM JUST BLOWN AWAY AS TO HOW EFFECTIVE IT WORKS. Keeps working after you extracted me knocks the odor out and keeps it down instead of making it worse until everything is dry again.
we have ordered 4 cases and will continue to stock it as long as it keeps working the way it does now.
I see it as an easy way to get a multi van company to level out their results (when it comes to chems) to make sure all crews are using the same stuff that can handle an array of different scenarios.
If the mix is mixed up at the shop in 3 gallon batches then there is less for the tech or techs to think about when it comes to what they will use on each job. All it does is an attempt to make the operation during the day go smoother with a predictable Prespray that mark knows will work.
It requires prep time at the shop to get it ready but the some prep must be done on each job anyways. Min difference is instead of getting to a job to see what is going to be needed, mark has a ready to go justice for anything he might encounter therefor reducing the amount of Chem jugs he needs to carry on the truck. The. The tech only needs to tend to how much Prespray he will lay down and at what concentration. And that is why I believe mark runs adjustable hydroforces.
People are interested in marks Chem mix because he is very successful and people always want to copy or emulate successful people, me included.
Why do I need to go and test all the presprays in the world when a guy I trust says hey use this mix it works, and it works well every time.
Ease of use and quality of results are huge.
I tried the pet stain off (from marks recommendation) from Harvard AND I AM JUST BLOWN AWAY AS TO HOW EFFECTIVE IT WORKS. Keeps working after you extracted me knocks the odor out and keeps it down instead of making it worse until everything is dry again.
we have ordered 4 cases and will continue to stock it as long as it keeps working the way it does now.
SamIam
Member
Grime release 9-10 ph ultra pac copy,
Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether
Ultrapac
Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether
Booster powder
PH 11-12
MSDS says its sodium carbonate on the msds
497-19-8
Sodium per carbonate cas 15630-89-4
I know energizer lost 50 precent of its power if not used with in a 24 hour period
I love in the video there's color and odor loss to the solution over time, that's the booster bleaching and deoderizing.
Extreme is a high heat extraction powder
11-12 ph
More sodium carbonate and Methanol
Strike force
PH 11-12
More, Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether
Ultra pac ingredients.
G force
PH 8-9
More
Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether
I think if I were to double all my chemicals I might get better results too, that's an awful lot of product mixed together and I'm glad it works for Mark, but it's ph is high and thinking it safer then using citrazolv which is 11-12 ph is quetionable.
By the way Saiger's the carpet cleaners "Walter White"?
Does that make Aaron, Jesse????
Saiger: Arron we need to cook!
Aaron: Yoo mister Saiger, This is best sconte ever.
Saiger: 92% pure clean no resoil, no resoil, no resoil, UMMMMM did I say no resoil????
Saiger sauce !
Mikey P
Administrator
I worry about you Miller.
Too much Clean Green on the brain...
Too much Clean Green on the brain...
I got the Saiger Sauce sample kit that Mark generously provided.
When it came down to it I couldn't make myself mix up that crazy brew.
Used almost everything according to label directions. Everything worked very well. As well as any top tier product.
Some I continued to purchase and use to this day.
When it came down to it I couldn't make myself mix up that crazy brew.
Used almost everything according to label directions. Everything worked very well. As well as any top tier product.
Some I continued to purchase and use to this day.
SamIam
Member
I love the citrazov
My son said what is this stuff. We use powermax and flex citrus powder and work as good if not better.
My son said what is this stuff. We use powermax and flex citrus powder and work as good if not better.
SamIam
Member
Actually it was more like big brute from maintex
Or Chem power from brothers janitorial that stuff was 13 ph .
Mark Saiger
Mr Happy!
Sauce mixed 10-10.3 pH
On the carpet and soils 9 pH
Extracted with the rinse agent provided 7-7.3 neutral in our testing.
That is metering the CONCENTRATE Saiger mix at 8:1. Can be used in less concentration.
Seems the more instructions given tend to confuse others. So less are given.
Saiger sauce being worked into mainly one product in future.
Havard also has a green line of products that work well for those interested.
www.hcronline.com
On the carpet and soils 9 pH
Extracted with the rinse agent provided 7-7.3 neutral in our testing.
That is metering the CONCENTRATE Saiger mix at 8:1. Can be used in less concentration.
Seems the more instructions given tend to confuse others. So less are given.
Saiger sauce being worked into mainly one product in future.
Havard also has a green line of products that work well for those interested.
www.hcronline.com
Mark Saiger
Mr Happy!
Citrazov great product and came out about a year ago....
Saiger Sauce we have been using 7 years to address iron ore type soils originally that are in our area, then tweaked it for more uses so prespray is ready for many situations...
Citrazov powder also just refined a bit more in late October...has a better scent now as well as slight formula change...
This is a serious case of iron ore soils in our area.
With full extraction and rinse we have not had an resoil issue, or if it was happening....we would not be using it....
