I hate using portables and feel like I'm still getting better results at that length than with a portable.
Sapphire Scientific 870 and El Diablo
- Thread starter jawhit
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I really like the Mastermatic. The thing just keeps running and the biggest issue I ever seem to have is needing to replace the flow switch from time to time. I go through the whole thing and give it a good once over about once a year (aside from your routine maintenance) and that's about it.
Cleanworks
Moderator
If you like your mastermatic, you'll love the el diablo. Same or better heat and more vacuum power. It will fit into a standard van. The 870 is a beautiful machine but it is huge and you will need a box truck or a trailer. You could get it into an extended 1 ton van.
Cleanworks
Moderator
One thing you can do to improve your vacuum. On a lot of mastermatics, the vacuum relief valve is mounted on a t coming from the blower. This cause turbulence in the airflow and if the valve breaks, pieces will damage your blower. We replaced that fitting with a stainless steel stretched 45 degree elbow going directly to the waste tank and relocated the vacuum relief valve on the waste directly. Will help to maximize your vacuum and air flow.
Could you send a picture of this?
Cleanworks
Moderator
I don't have any pics of the old set up but I will take pics of the way it is now.
That's be great. I have the T on my blower. I think I'm picturing what you are saying, but still would like to see it.
Onfire_02_01
Member
I believe the el diablo is a dual wanding unit. However, you do need tobpau attention to how much hose you are putting on each line. 200 feet on each side would be fine but not over that. No it isnt like a vortex where both lines can br as long as you would like them to be. But not too many people have commercial that big.
At least where i am located, if you cant reach the entire building with 300 feet of hose you missed a door. Buildings arround here have multiple doors for fire codes so even if i have to run 300 feet from the front door i can move to a side door or a back door and get the rest.
Cleanworks
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Zee
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No. Not even with 2.5" hose used partially in a longer (over 250-300')
You can't miraculously make the 45 blower perform better at 3000rpm than on any other 45type units.
I have thousands of hours with the El Diablos behind me and have had many times the type of jobs, where we had to run over 325' and it doesn't handle it all that well.
A 45blower is not a dual wand blower. I don't care what Savage is saying.
Onfire_02_01
Member
Well to each his own then. I run mine at 600 feet 2x a year with and without a zipper and i have no trouble at all.
Note I'm following you. So you just mount it up on the corner of your recovery tank completely separate.
Cleanworks
Moderator
Most of my tm's have the vac rel. Mounted on the waste tank. My neighbor is a fabricator and engineering genius. The moment he saw this old mastermatic he started coming up with ideas on how to improve it. I recently sold another mastermatic that I had converted to propane (not as hot) but used the same vac system and the vacuum was incredible compared to the way it was originally. We had trouble with the wand locking down on the carpet so we had to reduce the vacuum to 12 inch hg. I should have this one up and running in a week or so, with that 220,000 btu heater. Do you run your on kero or diesel?
Running kero. Why did you switch the other one to propane?
Cleanworks
Moderator
The heater was toast when I got it so I found it easier to switch it to propane. I am tempted to run diesel because my little truck is a diesel and I could tap into the trucks fuel tank. I have very limited experience with Kero/Diesel burners and I have always heard that Kero is cleaner. It is very expensive here compared to diesel and I would have to buy in 5 gal pails or 45 gallon drums. Diesel, I can fill up at the gas station.
Onfire_02_01
Member
There are about 4 places in the minneapolis/st paul metro that sells kero from the pumps. I will usually run desiel in my heaters but keep 5-10 gallons of kero on hand in case I get a really smelly batch to cut with.
Mikey P
Administrator
A 75 foot hose run, impressive!
Cleanworks
Moderator
Do you find much of a difference between the diesel and kero? Smoke, clogging fuel nozzle, etc?
SamIam
Member
I think he's pointing out the fact a 870 is in a regular van
I wasn't going to say anything. Gotta give the old guys a little slack
SamIam
Member
It is a Saturday night and he's probably working on a 5th of something so ya.
Mikey P
Administrator
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Onfire_02_01
Member
There seems to be more smoke and smell from diesel than kero. But that is really variable though. Some batches have no smell at all and some stink to high heaven. I keep a 5 gallon of kero in my garage so i can add to the tank for the smelly batches to cut down on impurities. I only have 500 hours so i dont have clogged nozzels yet.
Cleanworks
Moderator
I was doing a little research on line and I can't find any distributors who have kero at the pump. We have lot's of bulk distributors where I can go and pick 5 gal cans or have a 45 gal drum delivered. I think I will try the diesel first as it seems to be less hassle. Saves room in the truck as I can plumb it into the trucks diesel tank. I was looking at the El Diablos and they seem to run fine on diesel as well as the Northern Tools Burners. This is a little box truck so any smell is in the box, not in the cab.
SamIam
Member
@Mark Saiger can you post your chart at last years experience for all the different truck mounts with 6 and 12 flow wands and temps ??
SamIam
Member
Hey just got this link from Rick Aranda:
http://www.mikeysboard.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-mfe-boxing-ring.279404/page-47
where Mikery did some comparative testing:
Everest
12 flow 210
6 Flow 225
Butler(model??)
12 flow 185
6 flow 200
El Diablo
12 flow 210 fuel fired
6 flow 240
Cleanco
12 flow 175
6 flow 190
Sapphire Scientific
870
12 flow 225
6 flow 230
570
12 flow 185
6 flow 210
370
12 flow 120
9 flow - not tested (see our little data point from above, which suggests 9 flow is too much flow for this unit)
6 flow- not tested
1200 SE
12 flow 180
6 flow 200
Aero Tech
12 flow 250
6 flow 248
Hydra Master 575
12 flow 195
6 flow 170
Hydra Master direct drive
12 flow with their gauge 220
12 flow 175
6 flow 180
Hydrmaster 423
12 flow 150
6 flow 185
http://www.mikeysboard.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-mfe-boxing-ring.279404/page-47
where Mikery did some comparative testing:
Everest
12 flow 210
6 Flow 225
Butler(model??)
12 flow 185
6 flow 200
El Diablo
12 flow 210 fuel fired
6 flow 240
Cleanco
12 flow 175
6 flow 190
Sapphire Scientific
870
12 flow 225
6 flow 230
570
12 flow 185
6 flow 210
370
12 flow 120
9 flow - not tested (see our little data point from above, which suggests 9 flow is too much flow for this unit)
6 flow- not tested
1200 SE
12 flow 180
6 flow 200
Aero Tech
12 flow 250
6 flow 248
Hydra Master 575
12 flow 195
6 flow 170
Hydra Master direct drive
12 flow with their gauge 220
12 flow 175
6 flow 180
Hydrmaster 423
12 flow 150
6 flow 185
Bob Pruitt
Member
Wonder if this is the basic Butler or high heat version @Mark Saiger
Mikey P
Administrator
High Heat version
