Sewage Water Extraction HELP !!

jerry ACC

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The neighbor called Friday with a sewer line break in her basement. Plumber fixed it and the Insurance Company said to have the water extracted first and the'll come to view the scene.
I spent 3 hours there on Friday evening extracting the flooded basement.
My question is,
The insurance company is footing the bill, is there a fixed amount that is paid for such work ? Is there an Exactimate break down that I need to place on the invoice ? Or do I just charge to make my $100/hour ?
I don't do water damages normally, but it was next door and I used my pump out and ran straight into my sewer pipe.
Thanks in advance,
Jerry
 

J Scott W

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Be sure to bill for any necessary time to clean and disinfect your vac hoses, etc. There is more to a pump out job than just pumping.
 

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This is current for Philly as of July 10th.
You'll most likely come out better by the sq/ft for the cleanup. Look over the list and pick out the services you provided.

Don't forget to charge a decontamination/Cleanup fee for your equipment. :wink:

WTRACT Remove wet ceiling tile & drywall and bag for disposal SF $ 0.83
WTRACTA Remove wet ceiling tile & drywall, bag for disp. after hrs SF $ 1.20
WTRACTAS Remove wet ceiling tile w/staples - bag for disposal SF $ 0.63
WTRACTASA Remove wet ceiling tile w/staples, bag for disp. - aft hrs SF $ 0.92
WTRACTS Remove wet suspended ceiling tile and bag for disposal SF $ 0.32
WTRACTSA Remove wet susp. ceiling tile, bag for disp. - after hrs SF $ 0.44
WTRBAG Plastic bag - used for disposal of contaminated items EA $ 2.88
WTRBARR Containment Barrier/Airlock/Decon. Chamber SF $ 0.61
WTRBARRA Containment Barrier/Airlock/Decon. Chamber - after hours SF $ 0.89
WTRBARRP Containment Barrier - tension post - per day DA $ 3.30
WTRBARRZ Peel & seal zipper EA $ 11.07
WTRBARRZA Peel & seal zipper - after hours EA $ 12.34
WTRBASED Baseboard - Detach LF $ 0.92
WTRBASEDA Baseboard - Detach - after hours LF $ 1.37
WTRBASERS Baseboard - Detach and reset LF $ 1.52
WTRBIDITM Water Extraction & Remediation (Bid Item) EA $ 0.00
WTRBLK Block and pad furniture in room EA $ 36.59
WTRBLK< Block and pad furniture in room - Small amount EA $ 30.38
WTRBLK> Block and pad furniture in room - Large amount EA $ 49.86
WTRBLKA Block and pad furniture in room - after hours EA $ 55.08
WTRBLKA< Block and pad furniture in room - Small amount - after hrs EA $ 45.77
WTRBLKA> Block and pad furniture in room - Large amount - after hrs EA $ 75.04
WTRBLKHR Block and pad furniture - hourly charge HR $ 42.09
WTRBLKHRA Block and pad furniture - hourly charge - after hours HR $ 62.60
WTRCALC Calcium Chloride moisture test - per sample EA $ 66.17
WTRDHM Dehumidifier (per 24 hour period) - No monitoring EA $ 60.00
WTRDHM> Dehumidifier (per 24 hour period) - Large - No monitoring EA $ 71.00
WTRDHM>> Dehumidifier (per 24 hour period) - XLarge - No monitoring EA $ 101.25
WTRDHM>>> Dehumidifier (per 24 hour period) - XXLarge- No monitoring EA $ 133.00
WTRDHMAC Dehumidifier w/environmental control - per 24 hrs EA $ 123.25
WTRDHMD Dehumidifier (per 24 hour period) - Desiccant - No monit. EA $ 210.00
WTRDHMD< Dehumidifier (per 24 hr period) -Small-Desiccant-No monit. EA $ 110.00
WTRDHMD> Dehumidifier (per 24 hr period) -Large-Desiccant-No monit. EA $ 500.00
WTRDHMDT2K Trailer-mount dehumidifier - 2000 CFM- per 24 hr EA $ 950.00
WTRDHMDT3K Dehumidifier - Desiccant -3000-4000 CFM No monit.-per 24hr EA $ 1,246.00
WTRDHMDT5K Dehumidifier - Desiccant -4500-7500 CFM No monit.-per 24hr EA $ 1,551.00
WTRDHMDT9K Dehumidifier - Desiccant-8500-15000 CFM No monit.-per 24hr EA $ 2,536.00
WTRDRY Air mover (per 24 hour period) - No monitoring EA $ 25.94
WTRDRY+ Air mover axial fan (per 24 hour period) - No monitoring EA $ 29.58
WTRDRY++ Axial fan air mover - 1 HP (per 24 hr period)-No monit. EA $ 34.95
WTRDRYSA Air mover snout adapter 48" (per 24 hr period) - No monit. EA $ 10.00
WTRDRYW Tear out wet drywall, cleanup, bag for disposal SF $ 0.74
WTRDRYWA Tear out wet drywall, cleanup, bag - after business hours SF $ 1.02
WTRDRYWG Add-on cost for tearing out glued-on drywall SF $ 0.29
WTRDRYWGA Add-on cost for tearing out glued-on drywall - after hours SF $ 0.44
WTRDRYWLF Tear out wet drywall, cleanup, bag, per LF - up to 2' tall LF $ 2.53
WTRDRYWLFA Tear out wet drywall, cleanup, bag, per LF - 2' aft/hrs LF $ 3.62
WTRDUCTLF Ducting - lay-flat LF $ 0.27
WTREQ Equipment setup, take down, and monitoring (hourly charge) HR $ 40.89
WTREQA Equip. setup, take down & monitoring - after hrs HR $ 61.40
WTREQD Equipment decontamination charge - per piece of equipment EA $ 28.03
WTREQDH Equipment decontamination charge - HVY, per piece of equip EA $ 41.08
WTRESRV Emergency service call - after business hours EA $ 178.20
WTRESRVD Emergency service call - during business hours EA $ 118.80
WTREXT Water extraction from floor SF $ 0.49
WTREXT+ Water extraction from floor - Heavy SF $ 0.58
WTREXTA Water extraction from floor - after business hours SF $ 0.68
WTREXTA+ Water extraction from floor - Heavy - after business hours SF $ 0.82
WTREXTDMP Contaminated water dump fee - (Bid item) EA $ 0.00
WTREXTG Water extraction from floor - Category 2 water SF $ 0.75
WTREXTG+ Water extraction from floor - Category 2 water - Heavy SF $ 0.90
WTREXTGA Water extract from floor - Cat 2 water - aft business hrs SF $ 1.09
WTREXTGA+ Water extract from floor - Cat 2 water -Heavy -aft bus hrs SF $ 1.30
WTREXTS Water extraction from floor - Category 3 water SF $ 1.21
WTREXTS+ Water extraction from floor - Category 3 water - Heavy SF $ 1.44
WTREXTSA Water extract from floor - Cat 3 water - aft business hrs SF $ 1.69
WTREXTSA+ Water extract from floor - Cat 3 water -Heavy -aft bus hrs SF $ 2.00
WTREXTW Water extraction from floor - Weight-assisted SF $ 0.91
WTREXTWA Water extraction floor - Weight-assisted - after bus. hrs. SF $ 1.53
WTREXTWP Pumping of standing Category 3 water GL $ 0.65
WTREXTWPA Pumping of standing Category 3 water - after business hrs. GL $ 0.99
WTREXTWPC 2" Submersible pump with hose (per 24 hour period) DA $ 144.03
WTRFCC Tear out wet non-salvageable carpet, cut & bag for disp. SF $ 0.40
WTRFCCA Tear out wet non-salvage cpt, cut/bag - after business hrs SF $ 0.58
WTRFCCGD Tear out wet non-salvageable glue down carpet, cut/bag SF $ 0.69
WTRFCCGDA Tear out wet non-salv. gluedn. cpt, cut/bag- aft. bus. hrs SF $ 1.00
WTRFCCGDN Tear out wet non-salvageable glue down carpet, no bagging SF $ 0.54
WTRFCCGDNA Tear out wet non-salv. gluedn. cpt, no bag - aft. bus. hrs SF $ 0.81
WTRFCCGDS Tear out wet non-salv. gluedn. cpt, cut/bag - Cat 3 water SF $ 1.00
WTRFCCGDSA Tear out wet non-salv.gluedn.cpt,cut/bg-Cat 3 wtr-aft. hrs SF $ 1.48
WTRFCCGSN Tear out wet non-salv. glue down cpt, no bag - Cat 3 water SF $ 0.81
WTRFCCGSNA Tear out wet non-salv.gluedn.cpt,no bag-Cat 3 wtr-aft. hrs SF $ 1.20
WTRFCCN Tear out wet non-salvageable carpet, no bagging SF $ 0.23
WTRFCCNA Tear out wet non-salvage carpet, no bag-after business hrs SF $ 0.34
WTRFCCS Tear out wet non-salvageable carpet, cut/bag - Cat 3 water SF $ 0.58
WTRFCCSA Tear out wet non-salv. cpt, cut/bag-Cat 3 wtr-aft bus. hrs SF $ 0.84
WTRFCCSN Tear out wet non-salvageable carpet, no bag - Cat 3 water SF $ 0.34
WTRFCCSNA Tear out wet non-salv. cpt, no bag -Cat 3 wtr-aft bus. hrs SF $ 0.51
WTRFCV Tear out non-salvageable vinyl, cut & bag for disposal SF $ 0.96
WTRFCVA Tear out non-salvageable vinyl, cut & bag - after hrs SF $ 1.41
WTRFCVL Tear out non-salv vinyl, cut & bag - additional layer SF $ 0.33
WTRFCVLA Tear out non-salv vinyl, cut & bag - add'l layer after hrs SF $ 0.48
WTRFCVS Tear out non-salv vinyl, cut & bag - Category 3 water SF $ 1.41
WTRFCVSA Tear out non-salv vinyl, cut & bag - Cat 3 water-after hrs SF $ 2.16
WTRFCVSL Tear out non-salv vinyl, cut & bag - Cat 3 wtr - add'l lyr SF $ 0.48
WTRFCVSLA Tear out non-salv vinyl, cut & bag - Cat 3 add'l lyr a/hrs SF $ 0.74
WTRFCVT Tear out non-salvageable vinyl tile, cut & bag for disp. SF $ 1.10
WTRFCVTA Tear out non-salv. vinyl tile, cut & bag for disp. Aft hrs SF $ 1.63
WTRFCVUV Tear out non-salv. vinyl & underlay, cut & bag for disp. SF $ 1.31
WTRFCVUVA Tear out vinyl & underlay, bag for disp. - after hours SF $ 1.93
WTRFCVUVS Tear out vinyl & underlay, bag for disp. - Cat 3 water SF $ 1.93
WTRFCVUVSA Tear out vinyl & underlay & bag. - Cat 3 water - after hrs SF $ 2.85
WTRFCW Tear out non-salv wood flr & bag for disposal SF $ 2.47
WTRFCWA Tear out non-salv wood flr & bag - after hrs SF $ 3.61
WTRFCWL Tear out non-salv laminate floor & bag for disposal SF $ 1.77
WTRFCWLA Tear out non-salv laminate floor & bag - after hrs SF $ 2.61
WTRFCWLS Tear out non-salv laminate floor & bag - Category 3 water SF $ 2.61
WTRFCWLSA Tear out non-salv lam. flr & bag- Category 3 water-aft hrs SF $ 4.04
WTRFCWS Tear out non-salv wood floor & bag - Category 3 water SF $ 3.61
WTRFCWSA Tear out non-salv wood floor & bag - Cat 3 water - aft hrs SF $ 5.60
WTRFCWSC Screen wood floor SF $ 0.51
WTRFHEPA Add for HEPA filter (for negative air exhaust fan) EA $ 160.33
WTRFHEPA< Add for HEPA filter (for canister/backpack vacuums) EA $ 39.08
WTRFHEPA<< Add for HEPA filter (for upright vacuums) EA $ 25.03
WTRFHEPA> Add for HEPA filter (for neg. air machine/vacuum - Large) EA $ 215.08
WTRFLVAP Carbon vapor filter (for air scrubber) - 16" x 16" EA $ 69.08
WTRFLVAP> Carbon vapor filter (for air scrubber) - 24" x 24" EA $ 99.08
WTRFURN Drying furnace - ind. fired heater w/ducting - 85 kBtuh DA $ 160.00
WTRFURN17 Drying furnace - ind. fired heater w/ducting - 170 kBtuh DA $ 460.00
WTRFURN25 Drying furnace - ind. fired heater w/ducting - 250 kBtuh DA $ 575.00
WTRFURN40 Drying furnace - ind. fired heater w/ducting - 400 kBtuh DA $ 830.00
WTRGRM Apply anti-microbial agent SF $ 0.22
WTRGRMA Apply anti-microbial agent - after hours SF $ 0.32
WTRGRMB Apply plant-based anti-microbial agent SF $ 0.24
WTRGRMBA Apply plant-based anti-microbial agent - after hours SF $ 0.35
WTRHBAG Plastic bag - for hazardous material cleanup - Medium EA $ 2.35
WTRHBAG< Plastic bag - for hazardous material cleanup - Small EA $ 1.14
WTRHBAG> Plastic bag - for hazardous material cleanup - Large EA $ 3.08
WTRHBOX Box and liner - for hazardous material cleanup - Medium EA $ 5.60
WTRHBOX< Box and liner - for hazardous material cleanup - Small EA $ 2.81
WTRHBOX> Box and liner - for hazardous material cleanup - Large EA $ 9.07
WTRHC14 Plastic container - hazardous material cleanup - 14 gl EA $ 32.07
WTRHC30 Plastic container - hazardous material cleanup - 30 gl EA $ 45.68
WTRHC60 Plastic container - hazardous material cleanup - 60 gl EA $ 72.00
WTRHCON Plastic container - hazardous material - Medium EA $ 8.57
WTRHCON< Plastic container - hazardous material cleanup - Small EA $ 5.70
WTRHCON> Plastic container - hazardous material cleanup - Large EA $ 13.42
WTRHDRY Hang dry carpet in plant SF $ 0.42
WTRHDRY+ Hang dry custom oriental rug in plant SF $ 0.65
WTRHEAT Heat drying - hydronic boiler/power unit - 200 kBtu DA $ 600.00
WTRHEAT> Heat drying - hydronic boiler/power unit - 250 kBtu DA $ 900.00
WTRHEATA Heat drying - ducted air - 200 kBtu - 2300+ cfm DA $ 1,375.00
WTRHEATA> Heat drying - ducted air - 400 kBtu - 5200+ cfm DA $ 2,200.00
WTRHEATX Heat drying - thermal exchanger with air mover - 50 kBtu DA $ 205.68
WTRHEATX> Heat drying - thermal exchanger with air mover - 80 kBtu DA $ 300.00
WTRHEPAVAC HEPA Vacuuming - hourly charge HR $ 44.02
WTRHEPAVAL HEPA Vacuuming - Light - (PER SF) SF $ 0.35
WTRHEPAVAS HEPA Vacuuming - Detailed - (PER SF) SF $ 0.51
WTRHTAM Heat drying - thermal air mover - Electric DA $ 200.00
WTRINS Tear out and bag wet insulation SF $ 0.55
WTRINSA Tear out and bag wet insulation - after hours SF $ 0.80
WTRINSC Tear out and bag wet insulation in crawl space SF $ 1.04
WTRINSCA Tear out and bag wet insulation in crawl space - after hrs SF $ 1.55
WTRLAB Water Extraction & Remediation Technician - per hour HR $ 40.89
WTRLABA Water Extraction & Remediation Technician - after hours HR $ 61.40
WTRLABC Cleaning Technician - per hour HR $ 30.33
WTRLABCA Cleaning Technician - after hours HR $ 45.54
WTRLABS Cleaning & Remediation - Supervisory - per hr HR $ 44.55
WTRLABSA Cleaning & Remediation - Supervisory - after hrs. HR $ 66.89
WTRLIFT Lift carpet for drying SF $ 0.30
WTRLIFTA Lift carpet for drying - after hours SF $ 0.42
WTRMASKFL Floor protection - self-adhesive plastic film SF $ 0.41
WTRMASKFLA Floor protection - self-adhesive plastic film - after hrs SF $ 0.54
WTRMASKFLP Floor protection - drop cloth - skid resistant, leak proof SF $ 0.69
WTRMASKFP+ Floor prot. - cloth - skid resist, leak proof, cleanable SF $ 0.72
WTRMASKFPB Floor protection - drop cloth - skid resistant, breathable SF $ 0.87
WTRMN Service - Minimum charge EA $ 125.00
WTRMR Per job charge for 3rd party monitoring/review (Bid item) EA $ 0.00
WTRNAFAN Negative air fan/Air scrubber (24 hr period) - No monit. DA $ 71.73
WTRNAFAN> Neg. air fan/Air scrub.-Large (per 24 hr period)-No monit. DA $ 121.73
WTRPAD Tear out wet carpet pad and bag for disposal SF $ 0.38
WTRPADA Tear out wet carpet pad, cut/bag - after business hours SF $ 0.55
WTRPADN Tear out wet carpet pad, no bagging SF $ 0.10
WTRPADNA Tear out wet carpet pad, no bagging - after business hours SF $ 0.16
WTRPADS Tear out wet carpet pad, cut/bag - Category 3 water SF $ 0.55
WTRPADSA Tear out wet carpet pad, cut/bag - Cat 3 wtr - aft.bus.hrs SF $ 0.80
WTRPADSN Tear out wet carpet pad, no bagging - Category 3 water SF $ 0.16
WTRPADSNA Tear out wet carpet pad, no bag - Cat 3 wtr - aft.bus.hrs SF $ 0.25
WTRPLYTK Tear out toe kick and bag for disposal LF $ 2.22
WTRPLYTKA Tear out toe kick and bag for disposal - after bus. hours LF $ 3.18
WTRPNL Tear out wet paneling, bag for disposal SF $ 0.44
WTRPNLA Tear out wet paneling, bag for disposal - after hours SF $ 0.62
WTRPOWD Power distribution box DA $ 26.92
WTRPPE Add for personal protective equipment (hazardous cleanup) EA $ 10.32
WTRPPE+ Add for personal protective equipment - Heavy duty EA $ 17.03
WTRPPEB Boots - waterproof latex - Disposable (per pair) EA $ 6.84
WTRPPEE Eye protection - plastic goggles - Disposable EA $ 4.96
WTRPPEG Personal protective gloves - Disposable (per pair) EA $ 0.49
WTRPPEG+ Personal protective gloves - Heavy duty (per pair) EA $ 2.92
WTRPPER Disposable rain suit EA $ 9.00
WTRPPERC Respirator cartridge - HEPA only (per pair) EA $ 9.32
WTRPPERCM Respirator cartridge - HEPA & vapor & gas (per pair) EA $ 21.35
WTRPPERCP PAPR cartridge - HEPA only (single cartridge) EA $ 14.64
WTRPPERCPM PAPR cartridge - HEPA & vapor & gas (single cartridge) EA $ 30.86
WTRPPERCPV PAPR cartridge - vapor only (single cartridge) EA $ 22.19
WTRPPERCV Respirator cartridge - organic vapor & acid gas (per pair) EA $ 10.71
WTRPPERF Respirator - Full face - multi-purpose resp. (per day) DA $ 7.61
WTRPPERH Respirator - Half face - multi-purpose resp. (per day) DA $ 1.67
WTRPPPAPR Powered Air-Purifying Respirator (PAPR) - per day DA $ 73.25
WTRPPSAR Supply Air Respirator (SAR) - per day DA $ 61.25
WTRPROT Protect - Cover with plastic SF $ 0.24
WTRPROTA Protect - Cover with plastic - after hours SF $ 0.30
WTRRM Remote monitoring sys. w/up to 10 sensors (per 24 hr prd) DA $ 55.00
WTRRMG Remote monitoring - additional gateway (per 24 hr period) DA $ 30.00
WTRRMS Remote monitoring - each additional sensor (per 24 hr prd) DA $ 3.00
WTRSANDF Sand exposed framing - Floor SF $ 1.49
WTRSANDW Sand exposed framing - Walls SF $ 0.81
WTRTACK Tear out tackless strip and bag for disposal LF $ 0.68
WTRTACKA Tear out tackless strip and bag for disposal - after hours LF $ 1.21
WTRTACKG Tackless strip guard LF $ 0.40
WTRTACKGA Tackless strip guard - after hours LF $ 0.54
WTRTEST Contamination - air or surface testing & lab analysis EA $ 102.70
WTRTEST+ Contamination - pre & post test - full service (Bid item) EA $ 0.00
WTRTESTATP Contamination - on-site ATP testing EA $ 21.60
WTRTHERM Thermal imaging - (Bid item) EA $ 0.00
WTRTRAN Transport carpet for drying SF $ 0.26
WTRTRI Tear out trim/base LF $ 0.34
WTRTRIA Tear out trim/base - after business hours LF $ 0.51
WTRTRIM Tear out trim/base and bag for disposal LF $ 0.68
WTRTRIMA Tear out trim/base and bag for disposal - after bus. hours LF $ 0.94
WTRTRIMT Add-on for tearing out trim/base from tile/grout LF $ 0.44
WTRTRIMTA Add-on for tear out trim/base from tile/grout - after hrs LF $ 0.67
WTRULAY Tear out non-salv underlayment & bag for disposal SF $ 1.09
WTRULAYA Tear out non-salv underlayment & bag - after business hrs SF $ 1.60
WTRULAYS Tear out non-salv underlayment & bag - Category 3 water SF $ 1.60
WTRULAYSA Tear out non-salv underlayment & bag - Cat 3 wtr - aft.hrs SF $ 2.37
WTRWALL Wall cavity drying-Inj. type (per 24 hr period) No monit. DA $ 140.00
WTRWALLD Wall cavity drying-Dctd type (per 24 hr period) No monit. DA $ 80.00
WTRWALLF Fill holes created by wall cavity drying EA $ 1.01
WTRWALLH Drill holes for wall cavity drying EA $ 0.41
WTRWALLHA Drill holes for wall cavity drying - After hrs EA $ 0.57
WTRWFD Wood floor drying-Dctd type (per 24 hour period) No monit. DA $ 95.00
WTRWFDAD Wood flr drying add-on kit-Dctd(per 24 hr period) No monit DA $ 50.00
WTRWFI Wood floor drying-Inj. type (per 24 hour period) No monit. DA $ 180.00
 

jerry ACC

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Thanks Richard,
Here's what I figured.

WTREXTS-Water Extraction from floor Category 3- 1.21/Sqft x 135 Sqft = $163.35
WTRESRV-Emergency Service Call - After Hours = $178.20
WTREQD - Equipment Decon.-$28.03 Per Unit (x3) 2 Hoses 50'/ Waterclaw = $84.09
WTRLABCA-Cleaning Tecnician - After Hours- $45.54/HR (x3) = $136.62
Total_______________________
$562.26
WOW !! Does that seem right.
I was only going to charge $275, but if insurance is picking this up is this what I shoud bill ?
They were already given the go ahead with remediation and drying and such, and the insurance wrote a heck of alot more off than I thought they would, like the furniture not even touched in the next room over.
 

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Jerry did you use any PPE, gloves, mask, tyvek, 6-mil bags? All those would be additional. Did you wash it down? We would normally pressure wash and then later come back for a detail clean with turbo/SX-12 tool.

Was it after hours? Then use this one, your other line items say after hours.
WTREXTSA+ Water extract from floor - Cat 3 water -Heavy -aft bus hrs SF $ 2.00
instead of the water extraction you have listed.


We charge a flat rate of Equipment decontamination $125.00. (Cleaning all tools used, including TM tank and hoses)

It may seem like a lot for three hours work but that is actually pretty small as Sewage losses go. We often send 3-4 guys and they may spend 6-8 hours there and leave HEPA air scrubber and airmovers and dehumidifiers for a day.

Many times we fill a dumpster with all the contaminated debris and drywall.
 

jerry ACC

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Thanks Richard,
I did not wear any PPE, I know I should but I didn't.
All I did was pump out the water and use the large waterclaw on all of the affected carpet.
I could not do any more as the insurance company was coming the next morning to access the damage.
She has already hired a restoration company to do the rest, as I'm not certified to do the indepth work, and did not want to take on the responsibility.

Thanks again,
Jerry
 

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