Stone Guys... NEW Cheetah Pads even deal with lippage

[Mikey P]

a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d68X0zA1bsoa]

I have a set that I have not used yet and have been told to send them back because they newest version tackles lippage no problem.



I'll try and hook up with Albert soon to give these a test in his stone covered garage.

 

[alazo1]

Come on down Mikey, we'll take em for a spin.

Albert

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Very impressive.

 

[Mikey P]

x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejg4ogwnOU8x]

 

[Mikey P]

http://www.cheetahpads.com/

 

[Askal]

I saw these demo'd at LV and they gave me a dvd to take. On the DVD it said they were "Spinergy" pads and did not look the same as the Cheetah type. Same company new pads? Will they take out urine etching on a veined marble floor?
Al

 

[Mikey P]

I believe they will fix just about any damage Al.

 

[steve frasier]

have you seen the pads made by pioneer but they are for concrete

http://www.pioneer-eclipse.com/assets/h ... enance.pdf

 

[alazo1]

The cheetahs are resin diamond pads. There in a horsehair type of pad like the ones Steve just posted. If they don't pop out with the lippage they're a great idea. Though this has been done for concrete for sometime, it would be the first time (that I know of) that they are done for tiles (lippage).

The "nano polish" towards the end of the video must be some kind of non acidic polish. The website does say that you can use a regular powder polish after the first 2 steps making it a 3 step process vs the 6 step in the video. Eitherway they look like a better solution then the monkey pads.

Now, in the video on their website they do the floor with just the 4 steps. Amazing is how they get a gloss reading of 96 with just the cheetahs. I would be blown away if they really do this with good clarity.

Albert

 

[fresh1]

My concern is the longevity of the pad itself. Dana had said they were working on a ultra durable pad, has this been addressed?
$500 bucks is way steep considering you can get top quality diamonds or about 1/3 the price, and you are still going to need the small pads for edge work, those were around $250.

 

[Bee Busy]

nice marketing video...I'll stick with what I know before I spend $500-$750 on that

 

[J Scott W]

I saw these demo'd at LV and they gave me a dvd to take. On the DVD it said they were "Spinergy" pads and did not look the same as the Cheetah type. Same company new pads? Will they take out urine etching on a veined marble floor?
Al

Dana brought the Cheetah pads to Connections. That was the first time they were shown in public.

The video you were given was for Spinergy pads (also known as Viper Pads and Monkey pads). Spinergy pads are also created by Dana and the team at Innovative Flooring Solutions. Videos fro Cheetah pads were not yet available at Connections.

Spinergy pads are designed for light restoration. Cheetah pads are for heavier restoration.

 

[Ron Lippold]

Why dont they send those to someone that will give them a real try....

 

[Stonegeek]

I can take the hint Ron. Call me

Dana

 

[Mikey P]

because they dont want to get sued by Shawn York?


Be careful Dana, those Alligator tails on your pads look suspiciously like the Vortex logo, Ron may be willing to testify in court that all his customers only chose his service because they thought the Vortex Pads were made by a huge conglomerate and not just some broke dick gluing diamonds to some Doodle Bugs.




:shock:

 

[Ron Lippold]

Mikey shame on you.

 

[Mikey P]

Yeah.

 

[Stonegeek]

Ok Mikey. I need your help!
I need to know who on this board are the top three most experienced, skilled, skeptical and honest stone guys? I'm willing to send ONLY the top three a complete set of Cheetah Pads and a complete set of Monkeys for the finishing for them to beat the tar out of. That's $875 of free pads. NO I'm not fishing for testimonials. I've already got tons of overwhelmingly positive testimonials. I NEED DATA FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEIR STONE. I will give them these pads in exchange for them taking high quality before and after pics, track each job (time, square footage, stone type, ease of use, a list of products and specific steps they'd normally use on each job) and their honest feedback. WHY WOULD I OPEN MYSELF UP TO POTENTIAL PUBLIC RIDICULE??? Because these are the people I made these pads for. The real professional stone restoration specialists not the guys who dabble in stone every now and then. I believe I've found a great balance between an extremely high quality finish, pad longevity and price. These pads can if used properly cut job time by up to 70% while producing better results than everything we've tested them against. But my claims are not the same as hard data from professionals I don't know. I need your best Mikeys board! One condition though. No one who works for or is connected with another manufacturer or distributor of stone products. I need honest unbiased feedback. WHO'S UP FOR IT?

 

[daniel@procarpet]

Looks good.

How would you weight a regular 175 or is that not recommended?

 

[Stonegeek]

I know you're just joking around but I thought it'd be important for me to explain Cheetah Pads in some detail before people start thinking they're just another resin diamond discs on a pad. Thats already been done to death.

These are far from regular diamond pads glued to a doodlebug. It took years and hundreds of formulations to achieve the revolutionary abrasive mix that has become the cheetah pads. I've taken technology from the stone biz and combined it with some amazing stuff used in the aero space, lapidary, high strength composite resins, diamond micro abrasives and nano abrasives and combined them to create a system that can create an unbelievable finish in no time flat. This material is molded into a specially made synthetic pad base under extreme presssure. The newest version can actually smooth out lippage extremely fast without any damage to the tiles and require far less time and skill than using metal bond pads. The Claims that people will hear me make seem absolutely impossible but they are 100% true. Its one of those things you've actually got to see foryourself to believe it. I expect a great deal of skepticism. But it only takes a few minutes with a Cheetah Pad on your machine to make a believer out of the biggest skeptic.

 

[Stonegeek]

The ideal weight for Cheetah Pads is 100-130 pounds for a rotary floor machine. I recommend a weighted drive plate for more even weight distribution. Planetary (cimex) machines require less weight with Cheetah Pads due to the higher rpm and counter rotation. I saw a great adapter to turn a rotary buffer into a three head planetary machine at connections for only $695 but I forget who makes it. I'll find the brochure and post it tomorrow.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Rick Gelinas had it at MF in February.

 

[Bee Busy]

Ok Mikey. I need your help!
I need to know who on this board are the top three most experienced, skilled, skeptical and honest stone guys? I'm willing to send ONLY the top three a complete set of Cheetah Pads and a complete set of Monkeys for the finishing for them to beat the tar out of. That's $875 of free pads. NO I'm not fishing for testimonials. I've already got tons of overwhelmingly positive testimonials. I NEED DATA FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEIR STONE. I will give them these pads in exchange for them taking high quality before and after pics, track each job (time, square footage, stone type, ease of use, a list of products and specific steps they'd normally use on each job) and their honest feedback. WHY WOULD I OPEN MYSELF UP TO POTENTIAL PUBLIC RIDICULE??? Because these are the people I made these pads for. The real professional stone restoration specialists not the guys who dabble in stone every now and then. I believe I've found a great balance between an extremely high quality finish, pad longevity and price. These pads can if used properly cut job time by up to 70% while producing better results than everything we've tested them against. But my claims are not the same as hard data from professionals I don't know. I need your best Mikeys board! One condition though. No one who works for or is connected with another manufacturer or distributor of stone products. I need honest unbiased feedback. WHO'S UP FOR IT?

Hi Dana...I've got an entry to an upscale apt complex with Travertine/Sanded Groutlines/Uneven tiles with Major Lips...can't use resin diamonds on it because of the high and 1/3 sanded groutlines...i honed with alum oxide powders 180-800 polished with Diaglo a few years ago and got decent results..if yer product can do better, that would be nice. I have my opinions on the Monkey pads but respect the fact that you are willing to put your product to the test like this...my number is on my website...I have no ties to any stone manufactuers or distributors...looking forward to hear from you, thanks, Bill

 

[Stonegeek]

I'd love for you to take the Cheetahs for a spin but the sanded grout would create the same issues as it would with resin discs. Do you have another job soon?

 

[Stonegeek]

Just so everyone on MB knows, I realize that my Monkey Pads are loved by some and hated by others. I attribute this polarization to a lack of good marketing sense on my part. Monkey Pads are meant for maintenance, polishing and "light" restoration. We were so busy with production and sales that we neglected to clarify some major misconceptions in time to prevent some damaging press. Some believed that we meant for Monkey Pads to be used in place of resin discs because we made them in 200,400,800,1500,3000,8000&11,000 grits. Monkey pads were in no way meant to replace resin discs for serious restoration. No pad of that kind can do that. You loose all clarity if you attempt a full heavy restoration with that type of pad. We made all those grits so you can use them to get a very smooth even finish at what ever level your customer desires ; after you use resin discs to remove damage and prep the surface. I'm glad it happened that way because it was the true professionals that bashed the Monkey Pads relentlessly on boards like MB. Had it not been for those people, I wouldn't have set out on this obsession to satisfy their need for a better faster way to the highest quality finish. SO FOR ALL YOU GUYS THAT SLAMMED MONKEY PADS, THANK YOU!!!
Seriously, I am grateful for the feedback as harsh as it was it inspired something amazing. You helped create the Cheetah Pads which I genuinely believe will set a new standard for our beloved trade.

 

[Bee Busy]

I'd love for you to take the Cheetahs for a spin but the sanded grout would create the same issues as it would with resin discs. Do you have another job soon?

yep a flat Noce Travertine..nonsanded 1/8...I took it to a 50-800 resin diamond cut 2 years ago and polished w/Diaglow.....getting scratched up/etched and custy wants it done before thanksgiving...call or email me..thanks Bill

 

[alazo1]

Dana, I have a few of your monkey pads. I've done a number of honing jobs with the 400 and 800 for a satin look. On some jobs I use a 1500 monkey type of pad before powder polishing if there are picture frames. I find that it does a good job at blending picture framing and if kept wet enough does not mess up the clarity. On light restoration I do 2 or 3 grits of diamonds followed by the pad (if there is picture framing). I polish with powders afterwards. After seeing your video on the Cheetah's I was thinking of getting an 11,000 pad just for stones that don't get killer polish like some botticinos or breccias.

BTW, I have a job approx 700 sft of restoration in about 10 days. I was planing on doing my usual 200, 400, 800 resin and possibly 1500 pad before powder polishing. I have a garage with a bunch of marble as well and can take pics. One thing I don't understand is how one of the cheetahs can make up for 3 grits. Your step 1 says it's equivalent to 50,100,200 grit. ??

Bill, I've used diamonds on a few sanded installs with little problems. I used 3 resin pads on the swing with some foam under it to cushion it. If lippage is pretty bad as in your situation, no additional weight on your machine may help. On a few occassions they dislodged from the pad but the results were fine. Maybe I got lucky. I was recently given CTI's new diamond polishing system which is 400 and 800 grit honing powder followed by their polishing powder. I've tried honing powders on my garage floor but clarity always sucked. I thought I'd give these a shot, maybe it was some Nasa type of honing powder:lol. Same results.

Albert

 

[Stonegeek]

Albert

Thanks for your response. As insane as it sounds, those claims are conservative. Wait till you try them. Try cheetahs side by side on any marble (even green serpentine) trash the floor. Dump acid, scratch it up bad with anything you like. Then use your normal process on 1/2 probably 50,100,200,400,800,1500 and maybe ,3000 depending on the stone then polish. Then just do all 4 cheetahs followed by a quick buff with 11,000 monkey. I guarantee the Cheetahs take less than 1/2 the time and your gloss meter ratings will be equal to if not significantly higher with the Cheetah Pads. Where they really excel is in clarity. The clarity is far beyond anything you could do with a traditional acid polish.

What address would you like me to send them to? I'll even send the new lippage pad. This ones guaranteed to blow your mind.

 

[Bee Busy]

Dana, I have a few of your monkey pads. I've done a number of honing jobs with the 400 and 800 for a satin look. On some jobs I use a 1500 monkey type of pad before powder polishing if there are picture frames. I find that it does a good job at blending picture framing and if kept wet enough does not mess up the clarity. On light restoration I do 2 or 3 grits of diamonds followed by the pad (if there is picture framing). I polish with powders afterwards. After seeing your video on the Cheetah's I was thinking of getting an 11,000 pad just for stones that don't get killer polish like some botticinos or breccias.

BTW, I have a job approx 700 sft of restoration in about 10 days. I was planing on doing my usual 200, 400, 800 resin and possibly 1500 pad before powder polishing. I have a garage with a bunch of marble as well and can take pics. One thing I don't understand is how one of the cheetahs can make up for 3 grits. Your step 1 says it's equivalent to 50,100,200 grit. ??

Bill, I've used diamonds on a few sanded installs with little problems. I used 3 resin pads on the swing with some foam under it to cushion it. If lippage is pretty bad as in your situation, no additional weight on your machine may help. On a few occassions they dislodged from the pad but the results were fine. Maybe I got lucky. I was recently given CTI's new diamond polishing system which is 400 and 800 grit honing powder followed by their polishing powder. I've tried honing powders on my garage floor but clarity always sucked. I thought I'd give these a shot, maybe it was some Nasa type of honing powder:lol. Same results.

Albert

Hi Albert, yeah using foam risers won't work with this...they'll cut into the grout big time..you musta gone to Dan's class if u went to the CTI class...I like Dan a lot ..he's a great guy and love to chat with him about stone ....I'll give 'em a shot on a travertine...but I like my resin diamonds

 

[alazo1]

They had the class at the local jani store a few weeks back. I did'nt attend but they gave me the training material along with the powders.


Albert