Ten plus years of encap can't be flushed..

[Mikey P]

With just a Devastator, great chemistry and an Aerotech..

What was I thinking?

We Cimexed this place so many times in between the gobthousands of camp kids stomping it to death.

This time it was smellier and spottier than normal so we ( finally ) found a place to drain and went for it.
The waste water was unbelievably brown but the splotchiness was horrible.

Needed a Zipper SS or an RX20 to flush it properly but nada



Ended up cimexing over it to hide the splotches.


I'm going to hell.



again.

 

[Jimmy L]

Run into the same thing
So I tend to go lite on my solution ratios and add ammonia because I know it will FLASH off..............leaving no residue

 

[hogjowl]

I became aware of this about 10 years ago.
I’m not as slow as you.

 

[Old Coastie]

Mike, what do you think accounts for the splotchiness?

 

[hogjowl]

Inability to rinse it uniformly

 

[Sierra Clean Care]

Improper vacuuming, soil & chem load are over the tipping point....
I’ve run into this not long ago at a bank I do. As soon as I got it wet, it stunk like old socks...
They phoned the next day to complain about the ‘stains’, and off odour....
The janitorial company had been bonnet ‘cleaning’ it for almost 15 years....
I went back, hit the spots with V40, presprayed with Procyon extreme, with a bunch of deo in it.
I then went over it with my 175, changing bonnets every 150-200 sqft...

 

[hogjowl]

You idiot
You don’t REALLY think that stuff vacuums away, do you?

 

[Jim Pemberton]

You don’t REALLY think that stuff vacuums away, do you?

Has anyone tested the soil removed after vacuuming a carpet that has been cleaned with the encapsulation product to measure the amount of crystallized encap product that is removed versus dry soil and other foreign material?

I don't doubt that more dry soil is removed after encap cleaning than routine daily vacuuming, due to how both the mechanical action of the cleaning process, plus the cleaning power of the products that are used, and how they can separate soil from the yarn surface that otherwise would stick there and defy vacuuming.

Of those two points, I have no doubt.

What I question, and would like to know the answer to, is how much of the encap residue itself is vacuumed away.

 

[Shorty]

I became aware of this about 10 years ago.
I’m not as slow as you.

I know who told you Marty.

 

[Mikey P]

Has anyone tested the soil removed after vacuuming a carpet that has been cleaned with the encapsulation product to measure the amount of crystallized encap product that is removed versus dry soil and other foreign material?

I don't doubt that more dry soil is removed after encap cleaning than routine daily vacuuming, due to how both the mechanical action of the cleaning process, plus the cleaning power of the products that are used, and how they can separate soil from the yarn surface that otherwise would stick there and defy vacuuming.

Of those two points, I have no doubt.

What I question, and would like to know the answer to, is how much of the encap residue itself is vacuumed away.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Yummy, but I'd like to see what comes out of a vacuum cleaner bag, to follow the way the system is presented by most cleaners.

Except Jimmy Ladwig, of course.

Jimmy is voice of reason, rationality, and sanity in a world gone mad....

 

[Cleanworks]

Yummy, but I'd like to see what comes out of a vacuum cleaner bag, to follow the way the system is presented by most cleaners.

Except Jimmy Ladwig, of course.

Jimmy is voice of reason, rationality, and sanity in a world gone mad....

Mikey will be pleased as a pig in shit to open a vacuum bag and root through its contents for you

 

[randy]

Very little is getting vacuumed away if you are using crap chemicals that doesn't crystalize. There is a reason Whittaker systems focused so much on chemistry development. It's the most important component when you are using a technologically advanced version of the brush & bucket of soap method (or shampoo in JIMMY's case ). Having dried down over 60 " encapsulation " products , I have seen many that people on the boards rave about how great it cleans & smells harden like concrete. One product I spilled on the loading dock in concentrated form is still there after FIVE years. It has lasted longer than a few splats of that once a year car polish. That crap isn't rinsing off the ground after all these years so no way it's getting extracted when you really clean the carpet. Eventually the time of prolific low moisture usage will come to a close and be but a shampoo memory very old, old timers remember. It will always be around just like Francis Von Schrader's 1935 design still is, but how many people are really still cleaning carpet for a living with it ?

 

[Mikey P]

Jim


You just don't understand.



-JG

 

[hogjowl]

RG too

 

[The Great Oz]

What I question, and would like to know the answer to, is how much of the encap residue itself is vacuumed away.

This was done informally by the CRI testing lab as in, they just wanted to see for themselves. Nothing came out with vacuuming.

 

[Steve Lawrence]

With just a Devastator, great chemistry and an Aerotech..

What was I thinking?

We Cimexed this place so many times in between the gobthousands of camp kids stomping it to death.

This time it was smellier and spottier than normal so we ( finally ) found a place to drain and went for it.
The waste water was unbelievably brown but the splotchiness was horrible.

Needed a Zipper SS or an RX20 to flush it properly but nada



Ended up cimexing over it to hide the splotches.


I'm going to hell.



again.

Sometimes you get jobs that are unbelievably trashed and pissed on! You do what you can. (Which may include talking the customer in to new carpet.)

 

[Jim Pemberton]

This was done informally by the CRI testing lab as in, they just wanted to see for themselves. Nothing came out with vacuuming.

Thank you Bryan

I had many objections to the testing done by the CRI during the Seal of Approval program way back when, so I would be inconsistent to just embrace the results of this test without some skepticism.

Still, it was an attempt to do an independent test, and the results don’t surprise me.

Much appreciated

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Jim


You just don't understand.



-JG

I hear that comment often

 

[Acp]

Ive let small amounts of encap dry in a dish, some definitely do not dry to a consistency that would be able to be vacuumed.

some do and seem like they should easily vacuum out of carpet but who knows once more soil is tracked on top and its beaten down further.

I do know that I like encaping a lot more than pulling hoses and sweating my ass off though lol

 

[Jimmy L]

The question should be is how much polymer is actually in a gallon of scampoo.

My guess is NOT very much.

And my argument all along has been just how much polymer in a RTU gallon and sprayed out over a 100-200 sq ft area is ..............there?

And how can it physically "Encapsulate" anything?

So hence it's all MARKETING BS.

For a summer long experiment I poured a cruddy O2 product sold by a big brand into a empty ice cream bucket container to dry outside to see how much polymer is in it. Have about an inch to go before it's all dried out.

The cruddy product was unusable and smelled like vomit

 

[hogjowl]

Probably soured ice cream

 

[Cleanworks]

The question should be is how much polymer is actually in a gallon of scampoo.

My guess is NOT very much.

And my argument all along has been just how much polymer in a RTU gallon and sprayed out over a 100-200 sq ft area is ..............there?

And how can it physically "Encapsulate" anything?

So hence it's all MARKETING BS.

For a summer long experiment I poured a cruddy O2 product sold by a big brand into a empty ice cream bucket container to dry outside to see how much polymer is in it. Have about an inch to go before it's all dried out.

The cruddy product was unusable and smelled like vomit

Most o2 products smell like vomit when it's past the due date. I have had issues with one step o2 stain removers. If it smells like vomit, it has gone bad. Buy fresh, use it quickly, don't keep it in your hot truck for more than a day.

 

[Mikey P]

Condusive testing would be so easy...

 

[sassyotto]

I will start encapping when carpet manufacturers recommend it. Which is.............................never.

 

[Jimmy L]

An DAs a FAcT JaCK!

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Empty most of the soil load with hwe.

Put the lid back on it with encap.

Cash the check. REPEAT

 

[Small town janitorial]

But... the last ten times you cimexed and make great money and had a happy customer you weren't complaining.
Just saying.

 

[FB19087]

I will start encapping when carpet manufacturers recommend it. Which is.............................never.

**commercial interim

 

[Hack Attack]

interim.... soo every 10 yrs??