Agreed Lisa. If we the two forums MB and TMF could ever come together we would have some real power. We could form an organization to and take out national advertising for HWE. Think of all the talent that exist on these forums. Sure we don't all get along, but don't we all hate Chemdry more? If the consumers knew the facts they would all chose HWE over anything else, we need to educate them. At the same time it would remind them they need their carpets cleaned. It would be a win for everybody, carpet cleaners would make more money, distributors would sell more chems and equipment, manufacturers would sell more and be able to spend more on research giving us better equipment, and the owners of both forums would make more money because their advertisers would make more. The only loser would be chemdry/harris research/home depot, I won't be losing any sleep it that happens. Our representative and certifying bodies all have some agenda to take care of and won't do this. If an orginazation that consisted basicly of MB and TMF could be formed, it would be the most powerful in the industery and truly represent the individual cleaner.