TM Closed Door operation

[Ron Werner]

how many slide-ins can be operated with the doors all closed?
I know pto's have no problem with this.

 

[Brian R]

how many slide-ins can be operated with the doors all closed?
I know pto's have no problem with this.

Only if you want to choke out the indoor invironment of the van. They say it gets to hot and not enough air for the intake.

I wouldn't do it...but then again, I try to stay out of the getto.
I've seen vans with bars on the windows cleaning in them areas. :mrgreen:

 

[Brian R]

Now there's an Idea.
Just get steal gate doors. Maybe put a few thousand volts through em to ward off the gangsters.
Chain link would work.
Now that would be gheto fabulous! 8)

 

[Jeremy]

Add 3 roof vents with fans & rain covers (two intake, one exhaust) and route your engine exhuaust fumes & blower out through the floor into a separate silencer...

 

[Brian R]

Add 3 roof vents with fans & rain covers (two intake, one exhaust) and route your engine exhuaust fumes & blower out through the floor into a separate silencer...

I'm sure that would work but really, why would anyone do it?
I guess to keep tools from getting stolen. If you are that worried, maybe you should be carrying the "good" tools with you to that job. So far, nothing ever stolen off my truck and I leave it wide open. I think maybe the noise could be a detourant but who knows.

The amount of damage it could cause to you 15000 dollar TM would pale in comparison to a 300 dollar tool.

 

[Vinnie]

Is this guy for real?

 

[packfancjh]

you need maximum airflow inside the vans to keep them running at a cooler temp especially with air cooled units. If the air flow is restricted in any way you could over heat the machine and cause serious damage. Just had a Boxxer 427 computer board break down because of major restrictions to the airflow so I would advise against closing all doors.

 

[Guest]

Is that you Vinnie Barberino from Joosey?Ah,who cares

 

[Shawn Forsythe]

I'm with Chris Hagen on this one. It is very difficult to achieve anything close to the requisite cooling airflow with simple vents and fans. I suppose it is possible, but you would have to do careful testing to ensure that critical points on the equipment all are within tolerance. it is especially important that the fan inlet of the machine is getting fresh/non-recirculated air, and that areas around the exhaust system are getting their needed fresh/cool air as well.

Not much is going to duplicate a good cross flow current from the inlet door to an opposing open exhaust door (usually the rear doors) open at all times. We caution all users that they should not only have both the side and rear doors open, bu that care should be made that not too many obstructions are going to impede the flow (i.e. dehu's and other equipment blocking the rear door)

If the unit is liquid cooled, you have a little more protection for the engine, but people don't realize that their belts and electronics need that cross current air to survive.

 

[hogjowl]

I imagine Duane's designing one right now.

 

[Greenie]

... Not much is going to duplicate a good cross flow current from the inlet door to an opposing open exhaust door (usually the rear doors) open at all times.

... but people don't realize that their belts and electronics need that cross current air to survive.

THAT needs repeating.
Most guys think engine protection, but don't put much thought to the rest of the machine.

 

[Jim Bethel]

It is very difficult to achieve anything close to the requisite cooling airflow with simple vents and fans. I suppose it is possible.

Your right Shawn, it is difficult, but not impossible. We have done it a few times with great success. In this rig below, we have done it. Since some of our competitors also read this board, I will not show the completed setup. But bear in mind that it is quite hot over here, and this is a big PowerClean Genesis which not only needs a lot of air to feed an engine of that size, but also generates a lot of radiant heat that also must be dealt with.

Again, there is a lot more to it than the photo's show, but a lot of people over here have seen this unit. Evan seen it at a trade show a few years ago when he was over, along with a lot of people in our industry over here. It is as quiet as a CDS or PTO setup. Shawn and Greenie are both correct though, it is NOT just the motor that needs attention.

But it can be done..... 8)

Jim
PowerClean Australia

 

[Brian R]

Jim wrote

Since some of our competitors also read this board, I will not show the completed setup.

What a dick.

 

[Jim Bethel]

Tell me how you really feel Brian!

What's your problem?? That I choose to keep somethings intellectual info? Sorry you feel that way. I just showing Ron that it can be done. I am sure that most people that watch their mouth understand that you don't want to give your opposition all of your ideas that make your company unique. But then again, it is MY prerogative as to what to show, and what not to show.

Please feel free to scroll on past my future posts Brian if you don't like them. 8) Oh, and have a good weekend mate.

Jim

 

[Jeremy]

Jim that was probably the most tactful GO **** YOURSELF I've read in a while...

 

[Brian R]

Just givin you hell Jim. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

With that said, there is more than enough work for all of us (Maybe not in Australia) to maybe share ideas and accomplishments...They should do a BB about stuff like that...Oh, wait a minute. :roll:

I make sure I let everyone in on new things that work for me because I give a shit about how other cleaners clean so that we don't get a bad name as an industry.

 

[Jeremy]

I was thinking intake on either side & exhaust right above.... Of course, I'm no Shawn Forsythe.....

 

[Larry Cobb]

Hi Jim;

It looks like a nice cooling setup with the side & roof vent.

Have you taken any temperatures for warranty approval ?

Our engine manufacturers want oil temperatures & air temps running full RPM @ 100° F air temps for application approval.

Larry

 

[steve frasier]

we use to have 2 405 performers in GMC 1 Ton vans that we would run with the doors closed because we were cleaning schools at night in residential neighborhoods

had RV type supply and exhaust fans in the roof, worked just fine

it makes it a little easier if you have a window in your slider door that you can crack open a little


Nice class there Jim, you totally didn't deserve that comment

hope to talk/run into you @ connections if you are going

 

[ruff]

Brian.
"Anyone" would do it to avoid theft. Well..... duh!?

For example if you carry oriental rugs in your van for either delivery or pick up and you also clean for the client. Assuming that you do not want anybody "borrowing" permanently and or helping themselves to their home's new (and free) oriental rugs. It can happen anywhere not only in the ghetto. And most of us would rather not take a chance with their clients' property.
How shall I say it- It's not good for business.

You can work out of a locked van with a PTO which is what we do. It will also be nice to do with a slide in. Naturally, we can create a separate and lockable compartment but it does make it somewhat cumbersome.

Jim, that is a nice set up. Will be interesting to know more about how you did it and how well it is working for you.

Cheers
Ofer

 

[Mike Draper]

Last winter I cleaned when it was -3 degrees outside. There is nothing worse!! I run a direct drive. Anyhow, It was nice to know that my doors were all shut and everything inside was protected. BTW, have you ever tried to roll up 2.5" hose when it's that cold? It was like trying to roll up steel rebar.

 

[Ron Werner]

I was wondering how hot was too hot. 100F is just right.
If you look at the pics here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17289&hilit=CanAm
You will see an exhaust fan up above the sink and an intake fan to the left of the CanAm.
WIth the doors closed on a hot day the air by the motor doesn't exceed 100F while the air at the top of the truck reaches 150.
It works. 2 - 12" rad fans. I had a similar set up in the old truck.
Bob didn't want any leaks from the roof that's why there isn't a roof vent.

Basically I like to keep the doors closed not only to prevent theft, but also to prevent liability. Someone could grab a chem jug and do something stupid and I would get blamed for not taking proper precautions. Some one could stick their finger in the motor fan. Or touch the exhaust.
Think of the stupidest person out there, plan to prevent anything they might do.

 

[Curtis Pennington]

I imagine Duane's designing one right now.

That was a good one.

 

[John Watson]

Brian R, Better watch yor self there, don't go pissing off young Jim, Hims gots friends on this big Island too. I, Myself have Black Belt in crowbar and 2x4, But I aint needed, The Short one is coming over to connections and he is the Master of the Rang a Boom. Cali ain't thet fur from vegass. Last time Short One was in vegass, I saw him putting reflective tape on these funny looken rocks, Asked him what he was doing, "Just going to plunk a few stones" he said. Next days San Diago News Headlines "UFO's sighted as they splashed into harbor"

 

[Brian R]

Brian R, Better watch yor self there, don't go pissing off young Jim, Hims gots friends on this big Island too. I, Myself have Black Belt in crowbar and 2x4, But I aint needed, The Short one is coming over to connections and he is the Master of the Rang a Boom. Cali ain't thet fur from vegass. Last time Short One was in vegass, I saw him putting reflective tape on these funny looken rocks, Asked him what he was doing, "Just going to plunk a few stones" he said. Next days San Diago News Headlines "UFO's sighted as they splashed into harbor"

lol, I'll keep that in mind.

 

[Jim Bethel]

Jim that was probably the most tactful GO ACE YOURSELF I've read in a while...

Glad you liked it Jeremy

With that said, there is more than enough work for all of us (Maybe not in Australia) to maybe share ideas and accomplishments...

I always share pictures and comments, and answer A LOT of PM’s about a variety of machines, but this is something that hasn’t been done in our country, and I am not sure it has been done in yours either. Since it cost us a lot of money and man hours developing this unit, I think most business people would understand where I am coming from. I do see your point though Brian.

Have you taken any temperatures for warranty approval?

Along with other things, yeah. We had to do an extensive amount of R & D to keep the engine and other component manufacturers happy here in Oz. It has been running fine for over 2 years now. There isn't a huge demand for this type of vehicle over here, but we like being asked to do unique fitouts and installs. And to keep a Genesis running cool over here in Australia whilst locked up in a van is a bit unique!

Nice class there Jim, you totally didn't deserve that comment. hope to talk/run into you @ connections if you are going

Thanks Steve! Unfortunately I am not coming over this year, as we have our AusClean trade show on in Melbourne around the same time. So I need to be over here this time. But keep an eye out for next year, we’ll head out for a beer, along with the other MB crew.

Brian R, Better watch yor self there, don't go pissing off young Jim, Hims gots friends on this big Island too.

Good to know you got by back Elwood 8) And yeah, better watch out for that Shorty character! You guys should have a blast getting together again over there. Enjoy yourselves!

Jim