Up close and personal with the new Sapphire VersaClean extractors
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Cleantechsk
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they are neat, definitely well made. Got to kick the tires on a local one.
If i was still vlm ONLY I would consider, but dang they are expensive!
each machine is $1500 more up here locally ....
If i was still vlm ONLY I would consider, but dang they are expensive!
each machine is $1500 more up here locally ....
Dolly Llama
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$7400?????
...GTFOI'd buy a rotary and Steamom Demon (or SD knock-off)..and kick that rotosquirt box's azz
..L.T.A.
The Great Oz
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It's an expensive fashion accessory for the easily led?
Studebaker
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Bryan, it really is quite impressive the way they both clean.
Understood.
I should explain better. Fan or not, when Apple launched the iPad there were others doodads that were "tablets". Just like there are portables now. Again, fan or not, the iPad upset a number of well established players in other market segments as well as making itself "the tablet" to choose.
I am still a baby to carpet cleaning, and I came from IT. Seventeen years at that has kind of left its', mark. I now weigh much of what happens in this business's in more familiar IT terms.
What I see here is a device that is going to upset a lot of people. It will polarise many. Some will love it, some will despise it, but it will (in a few short years) start to change the face of carpet cleaning equipment.
There you go, you have me on the record now. I do concern myself for the future a bit. I've seen "I'm a Windows desktop PC Guy" type people resist the forces of change and lose. I put a word of caution here to us all..... Not fear..... just caution.
You've seen what RugDoctors are likely to look like and be capable of in ten years. What you do with this insight is up to you.
I really do think, this is what the future of both pro portables and consumer rentals will - more or less - look like. They will both converge on this point.
No flames please, honest observation called as it has been seen.
Grant
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Dolly Llama
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what makes you think that, Grant?
besides the roto head, how is it all that different from a walk behind porty?
(with all the same warts they have) e.g can't get all the way to the bases board, cumbersome and not as maneuverable in tight spaces as a wand (try cleaning a closet, bathroom or under and around lots of desks/cubicles)
as far as the res rental market, you carrying that 135 pound machine upstairs?
It'll never fly with the pros that use portys in the res market ...just too cumbersome for that application and not as versatile as the typical clam shell design porty and wand..and if they need the rotary extraction, they'll just plug in the 360i, HOSS, etc to their clam shell porty.
Or do like Art does when doesn't use the TM
it's a niche machine suited best for wide open com
I'll go on record and say this is certainly NOT the death knell of the clam shell porty and wand
..L.T.A.
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$7400?????
I'd buy a rotary and Steamom Demon (or SD knock-off)..and kick that rotosquirt box's azz
..L.T.A.
$5,995.00 @ Jon-Don
http://www.jondon.com/equipment-accessories/carpet-cleaning-equipment/portable-extractors.html
But I do agree with you, it appears to operate in a similar fashion to the SD, albeit with the rotary extraction head instead of a spray & suck bar.
In Aus; dollars that would probably put it around the AU$15,000.00
Definitely to rich for my blood.
I understand. We just differ on a few things. I am not suggesting this is the death knell for anything. What I am saying is that this unit will bring some considerable percentage of HOSS 700 performance to a walk behind not much bigger than a RugDoctor that - right now - at release costs $6k.
Given that this seems the first machine of its' kind, it seems logical to presume that his machine will be the poorest implementation of the machine. It is the first production model. There will be lessons learnt and there will be improvement and enhancement and things will get lighter and easier to operate and cheaper.
Right now this unit is a tool for specialist CGD work. But In it I see the potential for a lot more to happen and no doubt the MUCH cleverer than I people at Sapphire; who have actually built the unit and by all accounts are first to market - have realised the potential future applications for the machine. And with them, new markets, segments of existing markets etc.
I see a Lot of potential for a RugDoctor to 'borrow" from this tech and give it's DIY systems a substantial kick in the behind.
If it can compete with other pro methods is not the whole point.
The point is, shield any of the above happen, they show - unarguably that things will not simply just be content to stay as they are. And savvy people will want to be trey into to "read ahead" if they can to make future plans.
I have no idea what the machine is like, just watched a video and that's it. You got me. I don't pretend to know. I am just saynf what struck me the moment I saw it. To encapsulate that thought.....
"This is how they will make cheaper, smaller gear clean better with less".
Grant
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Desk Jockey
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I like the idea, a Hoss and Demon connected together. Great agitation and high flow flushing! 
Price is steep but with that technology I guess it should be expected some. Is it a floating head?
I'd have some concerns about uneven concrete breaking your vacuum seal if it doesn't float.
Price is steep but with that technology I guess it should be expected some. Is it a floating head?
I'd have some concerns about uneven concrete breaking your vacuum seal if it doesn't float.
Mikey P
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Much like the Hruby HOS, I bet these unit do real well overseas
Steve Lawrence
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Wow, that's a lot of work to attempt to clean with lukewarm water.
Desk Jockey
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Its an improvement on an old idea but I think in that version it's probably best suited for commercial work. I can't see a homeowner monkeying around with auto fill and dump. ???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDgI6XuPI-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDgI6XuPI-Y
Zee
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Miles and miles of carpet in commercial setting at night got done by the Express. I don't think we would even consider using one in residential..
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Great for a manufacturer, build stuff, sell stuff. Most cost effective for CGD? hum. Noise, hoses, noise, hoses and what have you accomplished. My opinion, you just slaved yourself to "just another" extraction system. Learn how to vacuum the sh.. out of something and encap with several different machines.
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FB7777
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Wow, that has to be the most overpriced, underwhelming contraption I have ever seen
I mean seriously, how often does " hard to reach" carpet get cleaned anyways... And how soiled is it that other methods won't perform a more than adequate job?
$6500 for in house crews to use and abuse.
Who has water and dump hookups convenient enough to run that machine
How long before it starts to leak and create more of a mess?
For that kind of budget, you can out source it to professionals
Swing and a miss on that one
I mean seriously, how often does " hard to reach" carpet get cleaned anyways... And how soiled is it that other methods won't perform a more than adequate job?
$6500 for in house crews to use and abuse.
Who has water and dump hookups convenient enough to run that machine
How long before it starts to leak and create more of a mess?
For that kind of budget, you can out source it to professionals
Swing and a miss on that one
Studebaker
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Fred, sorry your not feeling so good. Take some midol and get some rest.
Desk Jockey
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LOL
Keith just feel lucky you caught him on a good day!
Keith just feel lucky you caught him on a good day!
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FB7777
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speaking in baseball terms of a swing and miss
Look who just chimed in, the STryke Out wand inventor
You wanna go 9 innings with me?
Look who just chimed in, the STryke Out wand inventor
You wanna go 9 innings with me?
ruff
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Not that anybody sane will even consider. However, for the suicidal ones- Don't do it
Desk Jockey
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FB7777
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Studebaker
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Only if I can sit next to you in the stadium.
ruff
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Just one thing to consider: Fred's mentor on how to play was Roger Clemens.
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FB7777
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Would it surprise you that as a true Boston boy. I take that as a compliment?
amygeorge
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Well boys, I bought one! Yes, I did. Got a good deal during Jon Don’s CAD. I will test it out tomorrow at a retirement community, on the 5th floor of the bank building and then at the Holiday Inn Express.
We switch off between encap and HWE on those facilities. I don’t own a portable and I don’t want to. I rather walk behind the versaclean than wand 6,000 square feet.
Not everyone needs it, but I feel it will be a good fit for me, and a lot cheaper than buying another van.
We switch off between encap and HWE on those facilities. I don’t own a portable and I don’t want to. I rather walk behind the versaclean than wand 6,000 square feet.
Not everyone needs it, but I feel it will be a good fit for me, and a lot cheaper than buying another van.
