VLM OP EXPERTS NEED ADVICE WITH ORBITEC CX20 OP MACHINE PLEASE HELP ENLIGHTEN ME

Uncle Billy · Sep 11, 2013

Masters of the Carpets,
Could some of your Masters of VLM please give me there opinion on the history and experience if you own one. Is this an A list machine or just another OP machine that's average

To my knowledge its an Orbitec CX20? Now are Orbitec & CCS Machines related I hear all the time that the Trinity is one of the most desired because of the builder and design of the machines. I have the opportunity to buy this machine at a i THINK a fair price, it was used on 3 jobs I have seen it it looks like new. If someone that knows the facts could give me the solid details and if this is a good machine I would appreciate.

I want to get a feel if this machine is a good investment for RESIDENTIAL CARPET the machines is like new with verified little use, cost about is $1700 shipped.

I know everyone has there favorites I hope this dosen't turn into a Ford vs Chevy discussion. My biggest concern is how does is compare to the rest of the OP Machines on the market?? Being a newer company I would be doing more residential to start. Whats your recommendation?

The most important question where does it fall in the line of OP Machines when it comes to Orbot, Trinity, CCS, ect.... I really want to know if it has the same orbital motion as the King of The Hill Trinity CM??

Not that it makes a big deal but I have taken my IICRC CCT and passed.....

Thank You Very Very Much!!
Robb

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Johnny · Sep 11, 2013

Ive had the 17 inch version for 5-6 years. Very durable and capable.

But VLM is not a stand-alone system, especially for residential. Buy a truck-mount first.

Jimmy L · Sep 11, 2013

Mine sits in my garage and I just can't find a use for it.

hogjowl · Sep 11, 2013

CCS is a better KNOWN mfg. due to John's constant bulletin board presence. Orbitec is lessor known because of Clark's subdued personality. I have owned machines from both companies. I currently own and regularly use an Orbitec machine (ONLY ON COMMERCIAL CARPETS!!!) and love it. Basically, you can't go wrong with either company.

You'll just pay way more money, unnecessarily, with one of them.

hogjowl · Sep 11, 2013

CCS is a better KNOWN mfg. due to John's constant bulletin board presence. Orbitec is lessor known because of Clark's subdued personality. I have owned machines from both companies. I currently own and regularly use an Orbitec machine (ONLY ON COMMERCIAL CARPETS!!!) and love it. Basically, you can't go wrong with either company.

You'll just pay way more money, unnecessarily, with one of them.

Steamin McFadden · Sep 11, 2013

That machine is primarily made for commercial carpet, It would serve you well in that setting.

Desk Jockey · Sep 11, 2013

It's going to work well, will do anything you need it to do. It's just not as pretty as the newer units but there are many of those units still used in the field everyday.

bob vawter · Sep 11, 2013

i'll pray for you!

Desk Jockey · Sep 11, 2013

Pray for me too Bawb, I need all the help I can get! :rockon:

ruff · Sep 11, 2013

Use the search feature and you'll find a lot of info here on both machines.

Johnny · Sep 11, 2013

Jimmy L said:
Mine sits in my garage and I just can't find a use for it.

Jimmy will prolly pay you to take the one in his garage. He HATES sCamPOO. He also lives in the USA. You could drop by and pick it up.

Jimmy L · Sep 11, 2013

Johnny are you a product of the kalifornica school system?

WTF does "PROLLY" mean?

Did you mean TROLLY?

Or BY GOLLY?

hogjowl · Sep 11, 2013

He means "most likely". As in, he's most likely going to kick your ass if he ever sees you.

You prolly understand that.

Desk Jockey · Sep 11, 2013

He means "most likely". As in, he's most likely going to kick your ass if he ever sees you.

You prolly understand that.

LOL!

Funny Porkfritter! :biggrin:

Uncle Billy · Sep 11, 2013

I have a Prowler 13 also and I thinking of adding a Strong CRB to my line up

Johnny said:
Ive had the 17 inch version for 5-6 years. Very durable and capable.

But VLM is not a stand-alone system, especially for residential. Buy a truck-mount first.

Desk Jockey · Sep 11, 2013

Its always good to have options. The crb makes a great preconditioner too.

Uncle Billy · Sep 11, 2013

ORECK WITH BIG WHEEL KIT

Ofer Kolton said:
Use the search feature and you'll find a lot of info here on both machines.

Can I ask how do you guys feel about the Oreck LB9000 with the Big Wheel Kit?

Could the people that have posted please list there preferred method of CC on residential. If its not preferred what method do you usually use and what works the best?

I am really interested in what people are using? or what there favorite method is

Thanks Again
Robb

Desk Jockey · Sep 11, 2013

For residential we will HWE (rotary powerhead in traffic areas) unless low moisture is requested. Just the opposite for commercial we use low moisture unless HWE is requested.

Scott Rogers · Sep 11, 2013

robbdny said:
Can I ask how do you guys feel about the Oreck LB9000 with the Big Wheel Kit?

Could the people that have posted please list there preferred method of CC on residential. If its not preferred what method do you usually use and what works the best?

I am really interested in what people are using? or what there favorite method is

Thanks Again
Robb

There is only one Universally accepted cleaning method approved by all Major Carpet manufactures period!!! Hot water extraction.

That said specialty methods. Op, swing machine Bonnets, CBMs, Dry Compound, Dry Foam, ect. have their place in certain situations. whether combined with HWE or used for a particular circumstance.

But HWE is the king and most thorough method!!

Johnny · Sep 11, 2013

Jimmy won't let go of his machine, cuz despite his disparagement of VLM over the years, he's a closet encapper.

(Jimmy: cuz=because.)

Desk Jockey · Sep 11, 2013

He needs to move beyond closets.....hell there are whole rooms to be encap'd too!

ig:

Larry Cobb · Sep 11, 2013

Robb;

I would say the 20" machine is a little to bulky for residential work.

Extraction is recommended by the various carpet mills.

You can get a new hi-power 3-stage extractor for the same amount.

http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index...ath=85&zenid=34381daa0addd130aa066189f9e86e30

For low-moisture, I like the Cyl. Brush machines as we discussed.

Larry

Jeremy · Sep 12, 2013

Call me. 812-754-1447 or 502-631-3007 after 5 pm EST.

Johnny · Sep 12, 2013

Jeremy said:
Call me. 812-754-1447 or 502-631-3007 after 5 pm EST.

Hey Jeremy,

I noticed you have bundles of ten Snakeskins for $100 on your site. What's the diff between Snakes and Glads?

(Jimmy: diff=difference. I shorten words cuz I have big thumbs and a little iPhone keyboard.)

Jeremy · Sep 12, 2013

Doh... Those items are both supposed to be disabled. Mainly because of supply issues with both and qualty issues out of one. That said, in my business I mostly ran Snake Skins becasuse they were less expensive (both in terms of cost per use and cost per towel), more agressive and dollar for dollar a marginally better value. That said, over all athe gladiators were a better towel for residential work, and they did out last the Snake Skins.

The main reason I SWITCHED to Snake Skins, however, was that there were some "batch to batch" issues witht the Gladiator Pads & prolonged periods of unavailability. They're a great towel, if you're into a good batch. Not so much when your in a batch of "Russian Roulettes" and sometimes you couldn't get either... The Snake Skins were just more consisitent and always on tap... Like McDonalds, they may not be the best burger in town but at least you know what you're getting, how much you're paying and the expectation is always met. They did the job especially on commercial and did it economically.

After a time though, my supplier for the Snake Skin pads got to be a tad flaky, so the item was removed from the site (or at least I thought so)... I'll correct my oversight shortly. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

In the mean time these are what I was transitioning to when I sold my company: http://encapstore.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=230

I have had nothing but good reviews and I can tell you that, personally, they saved me a lot of effort, time and labor cost. The pad life is great too... Especially if you have them stiched with 3 or 4 over-lapping circles to help compensate for the side shear of an OP machine. And they last practically forever under a rotary... Unfortunately, the manufacturer won't do the stitching I want for me unless I order 3k pads... I just dont have the scratch to make that order just yet. Maybe we'll all get lucky and JonDon or the Hanks Bros. will steal "MY" innovation & drop ship for me... LOL

Jimmy L · Sep 12, 2013

Yes I admit I am a closet "Shampooer"

In the morning when I get up I look into the mirror...............and I apply my ruby red lipstick.............and then I think of more people to put on my DEAD POOL list.

And if any of you punk asses want to talk to me just call me......1 402 289 2895

And please excuse my lisp..............you see I am a hairlip.

And Marty I just have to DISAGREE wit chu.

LOOZERS ALL!

Desk Jockey · Sep 12, 2013

I called that number and some guy started cussing and yelled at you and then me for calling and then he hung up on me.

What was that some hate hotline? :eekk:

Shane Deubell · Sep 12, 2013

Jimmy L said:
Yes I admit I am a closet "Shampooer"

In the morning when I get up I look into the mirror...............and I apply my ruby red lipstick.............and then I think of more people to put on my DEAD POOL list.

!

You should come up with a top 25....

Jimmy L · Sep 12, 2013

And who ever calls make sure I get your name down on my DEAD POOL list.

Sorry mARtY......................LOVE!

NOT HATE!

GO TIDE!

DOWN WITH A&M!

Mikey P · Sep 12, 2013

Hey dont hang up on me you frEak!

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