Well, well, well, Clean Trust has a CLEAN board as of today!

[Bob Foster]

You might want to see the new board that will make the changes. The group looks standup and appear not to be selfserving.

This is good news. Ed York is smiling down on us!

http://www.iicrc.org/newsflash.shtml#DD

 

[John Watson]

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What an outstanding group of people. Its about time, Thanks in advance for all your hard work you shall be doing.

 

[Shorty]

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Apart from Paul Pearce, (U.K.) I think, are there any other "International" members on board.??

Or are they all American & Canadian.

If the above is correct, I see no benefit (ie; What's In It For Us), for anyone involved in this industry to be a member of shiteatinggrin "The Clean Trust"

Having said that, I do wish the new board all the best of luck, they're certainly going to need it.

Shorty.

:roll:

 

[XTREME1]

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Bob the clean trust has atleast 2 board members on the other thread commenting about give the Clean Trust a chance and lets see what they di without giving any indication that they are part of the Clean Trust. Does that seem trustworthy?

 

[rhino1]

Re: Well, well, well, Clean Trust has a CLEAN board as of to

Apart from Paul Pearce, (U.K.) I think, are there any other "International" members on board.??

Or are they all American & Canadian.

If the above is correct, I see no benefit (ie; What's In It For Us), for anyone involved in this industry to be a member of shiteatinggrin "The Clean Trust"


:roll:[/quote

well just face it Shorty, nobody really gives a Damn about Australia!

 

[cucu]

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the first order of business

Lets change the name from the clean trust to


iicrc

 

[Bob Foster]

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Bob the clean trust has atleast 2 board members on the other thread commenting about give the Clean Trust a chance and lets see what they di without giving any indication that they are part of the Clean Trust. Does that seem trustworthy?

I can see two reasons why they might have did this Greg.

1. The announcement of the new group was after their tread comments were made may well have been confidentiality reasons for the companies or associations the current and past members are a part of.

2. Those individuals speaking out is a good sign. In the past the committee has known to not be very transparent in its dealings.

 

[Mikey P]

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yeah yeah yeah... as MBr's Pearson, Mabesone and Harv should have come clean here.

let them play those games on ICS where the respectable people of this industry all blow smoke up each others asses

 

[Vinnie]

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Only time will tell.

 

[Desk Jockey]

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The name change is really not that big a deal to me. Will my customers care? I doubt they ever knew who the IICRC was to being with. I personally never liked saying "The IICRC", it's sounds like you're stuttering. I,I,I. Geezzz :shock:

"The Clean Trust", dumb name, even worse logo but big fookin deal. What difference does it make? I don't run my business worrying what the current IICRC/The Clean Trust name or logo is.

Certified? Get certified for the right reason, the education!

You want a stupid patch to sew on your shirt and look like Dudley Do-Right more power to ya. You'll look like a fool and No your clients aren't impressed. They think you look foolish too. They're just patronizing you when they ask about the patches.....they laugh and poke fun at you when you leave. :shock:

The Clean Trust is the only certifying body out there that truly addresses the cleaning industry. IAQ and Restoration industry have other options but for cleaning we are stuck with "The Clean Trust".

Get use to the funky name and logo or be a big fookin baby and get out.

You have few choices! :mrgreen:

 

[XTREME1]

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I can see two reasons why they might have did this Greg.

1. The announcement of the new group was after their tread comments were made may well have been confidentiality reasons for the companies or associations the current and past members are a part of.

2. Those individuals speaking out is a good sign. In the past the committee has known to not be very transparent in its dealings.

I can not believe you used transaprency and confidentiality in the same set of reasons.

The announcement may have been after Bob but they weren't required to come on Mikeysboard knowing some information and knowing they may be or have been appointed. They could have just not typed anything until the names were named. Instead what they did was defend a product they are involved in without disclosing their involvement. I see a lot good names on the list but the first thing they did was lack transparency.

I hope it works out, it can only help the industry. With the change does it effect the CRI- SOA


and bob you didn't answer the question, does that seem trustworthy?

 

[hogjowl]

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Bob's obviously running for position. :roll:

And, it'll work for him eventually. :shock:

 

[Lyman]

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I would like to know the salaries of the top five. Boy am I glad I never sewed those patches on my shirts.

 

[Desk Jockey]

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Boy am I glad I never sewed those patches on my shirts.

Now that made we laugh out loud!


:mrgreen:

 

[Bob Foster]

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I can see two reasons why they might have did this Greg.

1. The announcement of the new group was after their tread comments were made may well have been confidentiality reasons for the companies or associations the current and past members are a part of.

2. Those individuals speaking out is a good sign. In the past the committee has known to not be very transparent in its dealings.

I can not believe you used transaprency and confidentiality in the same set of reasons.

The announcement may have been after Bob but they weren't required to come on Mikeysboard knowing some information and knowing they may be or have been appointed. They could have just not typed anything until the names were named. Instead what they did was defend a product they are involved in without disclosing their involvement. I see a lot good names on the list but the first thing they did was lack transparency.

I hope it works out, it can only help the industry. With the change does it effect the CRI- SOA


and bob you didn't answer the question, does that seem trustworthy?

Speaking as part of the executive before that was announced would have been inappropriate on many levels. Would it have changed their remarks? Go back and read their remarks again and see if they are anything less significant with this new information in light.

Those people posting comment all the while possibly knowing of the outcome of selections or of the announcement shows their transparency. If they had not said anything would you have accused them of covering things up?

I don't blame anyone for looking for even the smallest indication of lack of trustworthiness like you have Greg. Based on past actions of the IICRC, the onus is completely on the new executive to rebuild our trust.

Ask challenging questions but be constructive so these guys have a chance.

I realize it wasn't the current new executive that changed the name but I would really like to know why they changed the name and the logic of the choice of names. If they can't come up with good reasons that they can honestly get behind it would show the quality of the collective moral fiber of the executive if they rescinded all actions to change the name and stayed with the IICRC.

 

[Desk Jockey]

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As I said I really don't give a rats a*s about the whole deal and it seems everyone is getting their underwear in a bunch over nothing.

However the dude on ICS that bought IICRC patches a couple of weeks before the switch really got ripped off. Why didn't they just say they were on order?

Then he sews them on his shirts (see post above) and now has shirts with outdated patches. thathurts

They need to refund his money......and quit selling stupid patches this ain't the boy scouts!

 

[Bob Foster]

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The poor bastards..... can you think of a more cantankerous group of misfits to try and please? No wonder the executive developed "their own reality".

That was before the INJURNET, so now its a whole different game. Time they used a TWO WAY communication process with the rank and file to develop consensus instead of how in the past when they threw "eDICKS" out the windows from their lofty towers to the peasants with the tools on the streets below.

NOW IT THE TIME FOR THE IICRC TO HAVE IS OWN BULLETIN BOARD AND HANG ANY BASTARD ON THE EXECUTIVE THAT DOES NOT ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE ON IT

 

[XTREME1]

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I don't care Bob but you have to see the truth of what transpired.

Fact people knew they were on the Board or knew that had a chance to be on the.

Fact They made comments some of were give "the clean trust a chance and see what they do.

Fact those people are directly involved. Then you post how stand up the board is (whimay be true) and then you mention transparency after these things transpired.

Similar to if I went to you and said, "I know this great company in Marshfield called Xtreme, you really, really have to see what they are doing and invest"

then you find out it is my company..........Do you see this and just kissing ass or are you oblivious to the same old shenanigans from the start? I am sure they will be better but the start is a little funny

And we aren't the rank and file, this is no organization of carpet cleaners, it is an educational group

 

[Bob Foster]

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Greg, I'm not sure of the process but I believe people are put up as candidates for the position and then selected. Dan may not yet have been selected when he made his posts. I think the process just happened yesterday.


I also know that there were other people who commented on threads that I personally supported putting their names in for consideration that weren't selected. You did not have to be a registrant to put forward peoples names.

Be suspicious - ask questions!

I will directly answer your suspicions you might have about me. I am not currently a registrant of the IICRC and also do not belong to a regional association. But that may change now.

Kissing ass, nope don't need to and don't want to. I do have an animated strong personality that some can take or leave. It is born in my nature that I like to give and help. There are two things in life that I take great enjoyment from. Giving and learning.

I was challenged about a year ago either here on on ICS by someone who said that I was very critical of the IICRC and they suggested that if I didn't like it I should do something about it besides bitch. I responded by stating that I think I just might do that.

There are do-ers, and takers, foes and fans to everything and everyone in the industry. Some people just bitch and moan and others go along and others stick their neck out. Some quietly provide very effective assistance and their names never gets mentioned. There were huge numbers of these "underspoken" people, more than most will ever know, who effected the reformation of the IICRC both from within the organization and from outside it.

I don't want to see others get screwed nor do I want to get screwed. I have suggested to people that I might want to help. But frankly if more people would help by suggesting some new ideas, constructively challenge ideals, direction or policy then it will go along way in helping OUR cause.

 

[rwcarpet]

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Apart from Paul Pearce, (U.K.) I think, are there any other "International" members on board.??

Or are they all American & Canadian.

If the above is correct, I see no benefit (ie; What's In It For Us), for anyone involved in this industry to be a member of shiteatinggrin "The Clean Trust"


:roll:[/quote

well just face it Shorty, nobody really gives a Damn about Australia!

.....and it takes 3 friggin days to fly here. You'd never make the meetings.....


Of course, they can use Cisco Telepresence for meetings.

 

[XTREME1]

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blah blah blah your dancing around facts Bob. Hey if you don't see it as wrong making those comments and not being forthright, so be it. That is why I suggested you're a kiss ass and want to be part of the equation.

I always thought the IICRC and now Clean Trust was its own entity owned by people through shares. I am not sure how we became the rank and file in your eyes. You keep saying things like

There were huge numbers of these "underspoken" people, more than most will ever know, who effected the reformation of the IICRC both from within the organization and from outside it.

. This isn't a canadien socialist utopia. I bet by most accounts the IICRC effects less people than this bulletin board. Whether you are a member or not it has little effect. I have known people working in the inner circle of the IICRC whom being a member helped but for the rest nadda.

I am not sure why you can not just answer the question instead of providing innuendo. For a guy without any stake and who isn't kissing ass you sure come up with all types of defenses for behavior that is far less than transparent.

Again, I don't care either way I will do what I always did and that is go get the training, take the cert test and let them expire.

 

[Shorty]

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[quote

well just face it Shorty, nobody really gives a Damn about Australia!

[/quote]


.....and it takes 3 friggin days to fly here. You'd never make the meetings.....


Of course, they can use Cisco Telepresence for meetings.[/quote]



Bloody hell Bob, I didn't realise you jokers were so far behind the cue ball. :shock:

We now take aeroplanes instead of flapping our arms.

Plus we can take excess baggage like spouses, etc; a lot easier & with less whinging.



This means that I can leave Cairns today and arrive in Las Vegas yesterday.

Bet you can't leave Ohio and get to Vegas the day before. !gotcha!

Plus I arrive fresh and invigorated, ready to drink Guinness with cucu.

But, alas, you're right when you say "nobody really gives a Damn about Australia!"


Even though we got Queen Bessie here today, (I know, LA is full of queens as well), & your Pres; is coming down later this year.

(We promise to send him back. shiteatinggrin shiteatinggrin shiteatinggrin )

I know that Rawknee still gives a hoot for us. shiteatinggrin

Trust me, I'm Clean on that one. !gotcha!

Ooroo,

thathurts

 

[Bob Foster]

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Will someone please explain to Greg how the regional associations affect the IICRC. Their voting rights etc...

Greg what do you want me to admit too? They weren't in a the position yet to speak as if they were in the position. The weren't even selected yet and were being considered along with many other candidates.

There has been a very active person on this thread who was also considered. Are you suspicious of anyone else?

Dude, I'm not the enemy. I just want this thing to work out. Nothing in it for me.

 

[Derek]

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what Richard said

 

[The Great Oz]

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Wanna see something you wouldn't have before? http://www.iicrc.org/suggestionbox.shtml

Today, someone is interested in your thoughts.

 

[Bob Foster]

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Or if you don't want to do it anonymously and want to put your name to it email it here.

suggestionbox@thecleantrust.org

 

[XTREME1]

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not suspicious of anything Bob has no effect on me

 

[LisaWagnerCRS]

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Will someone please explain to Greg how the regional associations affect the IICRC. Their voting rights etc...

Greg what do you want me to admit too? They weren't in a the position yet to speak as if they were in the position. The weren't even selected yet and were being considered along with many other candidates.

There has been a very active person on this thread who was also considered. Are you suspicious of anyone else?

Dude, I'm not the enemy. I just want this thing to work out. Nothing in it for me.

Greg,

The regional trade associations are shareholders of the IICRC - but for YEARS the consultants and management and their "buddies" got changes to the structure to add more and more board member seats. Honorary members. At-Large Members. Sometimes those of us "fighters" on the board were able to get some good people added (Paul Thompson was an At-Large Member for a few years - and uhe was instrumental in the reforms that led up to what we saw last week..) - but most of the time the extra bodies were what we referred to as POTTED PLANTS. They sat there, did nothing, and voted the way their conflict-of-interest-masters wanted them to.

It grew into a very mediocre group of leadership over the past decade in the officer seats, as they used parliamentary procedures and slates and friends in the nominating committee to control the voting process, and end up filling the leadership with absolutely no leaders. So the ones making the money on the outside could help keep their contracts rolling.

(All of this is my opinion from having served on the board and off...)

So... a Board that used to represent 12 share holder associations, and a few individual founding shareholders (Paulsons, Lee Pemberton, Tom Hill) expanded (like mold) to be more than 30 - most being worthless seat warmers, and a few who wanted to make change happen ending up getting pissed off, burnt out, and dropped off.

Now the structure - the bylaws - have changed dramatically. The board is limited to 15. A variety of nominations went up, from shareholder reps to outside people (nominations were provided from anyone who wanted to give one - and they went through more than 100 submissions to then choose the best candidates to put to the vote).

So, it was democratic. And, it was not announced until last week - and the officers chosen as well. None of us "insiders" knew. We had a feeling who had a lot of support - but I know a few of the ones I nominated did not get in... of course I was not sure if a "nominated by Lisa" tag line would have been a plus or minus - LOL.

It's a good looking Board. The question is, have there been enough changes to the infrastructure for them to look at a stupid move like the Clean Trust, and the outrage by their customers who are the FUNDS they operate by, and can they fix this and create good PR out of a very bad PR move? Can this show once and for all that there is a new sheriff in town - and that the group will be operating as a good, smart business, instead of as a slush fund for mediocre instructors and cleaners who see 6 figure contracts as the way to "make it big" instead of by building their own businesses well?

I'm optimistic right now about it.

But after a few weeks, if we hear nothing from the board, and more of this "oh, just give it time" crap - then I will know that the foundation of the organization is just too rotten to save.

IICRC used to REALLY mean something. There IS history there. And it can mean more. It's not the name that is the problem, it's the bad leadership they have had Zimmerman, Travis, Pearce and their fellow potted plants. I'd rather put effort into making the word IICRC mean something better again, than to work on a name (Clean Trust) that a PR firm chose based on surveying a random 18+ online audience.

If they make it better, and take visible action soon... then I will pay my penalty and reactivate my certifications.

If they don't, then I'll find other groups to support instead. They don't need me - but they DO need their current certified cleaners to continue to be their bankroll... and not a single one I've talked to this week is happy. "Dumb" is the word I keep hearing. None of them are saying "hey, let's wait and see...".

Lisa

 

[XTREME1]

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Thank You Lisa, Bob was just being condescending rather tham acknowledge facts.

I know the voting rights but since Bob brought up my supposed ignorance and his defending the set up I would love for him to tell me the need for change since the IICRC was set up so well, in his opinion not mine

 

[Bob Foster]

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You got to be kiddin Greg. I flamed the IICRC for years. Lots wrong - that's why these new guys are called the reformers.