Went Hybrid HWE/VLM Today

[Mike J]

I sold a $300 touch up today for a customer that has a rental. I am gonna pad this in a month. I HWE today, but did a VLM in a demonstration today. I assured her, no more worries if her place needs a cleaning with a 2 hr window of changeover. Here is how it went

Before (I HWE under the couches, done)


After



I did not do a good job padding, because I was set up for HWE already. I did this as a demo to show how I could put a band aid on it for the immediate time. I only sprayed a few ounces of Pad Cap Pro, NO dwell time, and was an instant no brainer for my customer t0 book a 30 minute appt in a month for $300. Win Win. She is so comforted now.

THEN I HWE after the hack pad job (the original work order. this pad was just a demo. Google cant sell for you like you can)


Fisnished




You can see the HWE did zing it, but if they knew I could have made it better without being as invasive and dry time restricted, they would have done this last season.
If I spent more time and more experience, I probably could have made them look great without hwe.

 

[Jimmy L]

Old shampoo and rinse method

 

[Mike J]

Old shampoo and rinse method

All new to me, cant wait till I know what im doing

 

[scotty747]

What are you trying to groom?

 

[Mikey P]

We're adding a commercial carpet job to the Advanced Multi-Surface class..

All new to me, cant wait till I know what im doing

 

[Mike J]

What are you trying to groom?

Carpet

 

[Mike J]

So Im gonna do this job in a few weeks. I am gonna Hybrid Clean. HWE first, then I want to Pad it. So after its HWE and still looks nasty, do I just start VLM, or should I come back when its completley dry, like the next day? I am doing this as an experiment and then may market this in the winter. If I get it better than just HWE.



So I got the Odyssey, some Pad Cap Pro, Tops Spotter to try to get better visual results.

 

[Cleanworks]

So Im gonna do this job in a few weeks. I am gonna Hybrid Clean. HWE first, then I want to Pad it. So after its HWE and still looks nasty, do I just start VLM, or should I come back when its completley dry, like the next day? I am doing this as an experiment and then may market this in the winter. If I get it better than just HWE.
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So I got the Odyssey, some Pad Cap Pro, Tops Spotter to try to get better visual results.

Why don't you do vlm first, then hwe?

 

[Mike J]

Why don't you do vlm first, then hwe?

Because I dont know yet. Should I VLM first?

 

[Kenny Hayes]

I vlm a 40 yr old green carpet in a church rectory today. I put Christmas trees in it with my crb to cover swirly’s. They said it looks new Let’s don’t get carried away I crb’d the carpeted steps

 

[Cleanworks]

Because I dont know yet. Should I VLM first?

It's great agitation for hwe

 

[Dolly Llama]

Because I dont know yet. Should I VLM first?

the scrub goes before the rinse

try it both ways and find out

..L.T.A.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Just clean carpet and forget pushing one method over another.

 

[sassyotto]

they key to any method is agitation, so if you HWE without agitation, then you will be happy with bonnet cleaning. If you use agitation with HWE, you wont need to pad it.

 

[Mike J]

they key to any method is agitation, so if you HWE without agitation, then you will be happy with bonnet cleaning. If you use agitation with HWE, you wont need to pad it.

So a good dry vac, then VLM with the striped agitation pad, HWE, then a cotton pad to finish. Would that be the correct steps?

 

[Jim Pemberton]

So Im gonna do this job in a few weeks. I am gonna Hybrid Clean. HWE first, then I want to Pad it. So after its HWE and still looks nasty, do I just start VLM, or should I come back when its completley dry, like the next day? I am doing this as an experiment and then may market this in the winter. If I get it better than just HWE.
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So I got the Odyssey, some Pad Cap Pro, Tops Spotter to try to get better visual results.

You can do any combination, or do both:

1.1 Prescrub and HWE: If that’s what you decide, you don’t need to use an encap product. Just scrub in your favorite prespray and extract.

1.2 VLM and (Maybe) HWE: On a job that isn’t as bad as this, VLM and only HWE if the carpet doesn’t look good enough when you’re done. This method is what ends up selling guys on VLM, as it ends up working far better than expected most of the time. (Or the tendency to want to not work to hard makes a lot of tired old guys see it as “good enough”)

2.1 HWE and VLM: Carpets that are grossly soiled can sometimes look blotchy or streaked afterward. VLM, and in the old days shampoo, has the ability to agglomerate soil and leave “friendly” residues that scatter light and make the carpet appear to be cleaner. Don’t hate on me VLM guys, but that is one of the secrets of the method. My father was doing this in the early 70s.

2.2 HWE and VLM after the carpet dries. Now that we are deep into the “poly revolution”, wicking after HWE is getting to be more common, and VLM fixes it quickly.

In the end, you do what seems to make sense based in the carpet fiber type, soil load, your experience....and what the job and/or the customer is worth.

 

[Mike J]

Thanks! These parrallell tracks are very common in 55+ communities. If I can "fix" them, it will be good. I will post the results.

 

[Mike J]

You can do any combination, or do both:

1.1 Prescrub and HWE: If that’s what you decide, you don’t need to use an encap product. Just scrub in your favorite prespray and extract.

1.2 VLM and (Maybe) HWE: On a job that isn’t as bad as this, VLM and only HWE if the carpet doesn’t look good enough when you’re done. This method is what ends up selling guys on VLM, as it ends up working far better than expected most of the time. (Or the tendency to want to not work to hard makes a lot of tired old guys see it as “good enough”)

2.1 HWE and VLM: Carpets that are grossly soiled can sometimes look blotchy or streaked afterward. VLM, and in the old days shampoo, has the ability to agglomerate soil and leave “friendly” residues that scatter light and make the carpet appear to be cleaner. Don’t hate on me VLM guys, but that is one of the secrets of the method. My father was doing this in the early 70s.

2.2 HWE and VLM after the carpet dries. Now that we are deep into the “poly revolution”, wicking after HWE is getting to be more common, and VLM fixes it quickly.

In the end, you do what seems to make sense based in the carpet fiber type, soil load, your experience....and what the job and/or the customer is worth.

2.1 is very interesting, I was thinking something like that happened when I did a VLM instead of HWE and looked so much better. It was exactly what it needed since they always looked just grungy.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

I just go with the flow. I guess hybrid would be using multiple methods in commercial cleaning. I’m with most here on residential unless it’s interim maintenance. Surroundings and environment often dictate what’s appropriate in my case. As one of my employees said yesterday, you’ve got a lot shit.

 

[Rob Grady]

I ‘went hybrids ’ in 1982.

 

[Rob Grady]

Was 'hybrid' until I discovered the magic of RotoVac wizardry in 2001. Never looked back.

 

[KevinD]

Thanks! These parrallell tracks are very common in 55+ communities. If I can "fix" them, it will be good. I will post the results.

The old shuffle marks.

 

[Lamesalegend]

Usually I OP First and HWE after. Unless its an olefin, then I HWE first then OP with an encap sprayed on the traffic areas. Just depends. But if I think resoiling could be an issue with an olefin I finish with the pad

 

[Mikey P]

The old shuffle marks.

Very common here, with all the retirees, especially on junk poly

 

[Dolly Llama]

" agglomerate"

is that a word for smearing the dirtiest parts to the less dirty parts for a more "even" and lighter dinge of what wasn't pushed to the backing?



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if post padding improves your workmanship, it's nearly always for one of two reasons;

The carpet needed mechanical agitation to start with for the juice, tools/system and technique you use
Or
your wand technique stinks


the scrub, whether roto brush or bonnet, Oh-Pee or Scumex, the scrub comes BEFORE the HWE rinse

..L.T.A.

 

[SamIam]

Thanks! These parrallell tracks are very common in 55+ communities. If I can "fix" them, it will be good. I will post the results.

Rubber sole shoes old retirees traveling the same paths shuffling.

It's one of the hardest things to break free.

The friction and rubber.

I tell people get different shoes or slippers.

The other thing is barefoot with lotion, that cleans up easier. just soils fast when the lotion oil up feet and walk.

Usually around the primary room around the bed.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

" agglomerate"

is that a word for smearing the dirtiest parts to the less dirty parts for a more "even" and lighter dinge of what wasn't pushed to the backing?



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if post padding improves your workmanship, it's nearly always for one of two reasons;

The carpet needed mechanical agitation to start with for the juice, tools/system and technique you use
Or
your wand technique stinks


the scrub, whether roto brush or bonnet, Oh-Pee or Scumex, the scrub comes BEFORE the HWE rinse

..L.T.A.

Actually no Larry, its about the opposite.

This never made sense to me, but as I have been taught, it is this:

Agglomeration is when a large variety of small particles "clump together" in larger, but far less numerous regions. Even though it would seem this would make an overall dark cast look like several large spots, what seems to occur is that since these agglomerated areas are still too small for the naked eye to see, but leaves the area looking cleaner.

I have seen it shown like this:

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Becomes:

o o

o o

o o


Someone much more informed and intelligent than I can probably make more sense of this than I did Uncle Larry. You'd think with the brilliant parents I had (you didn't know my mom, but my father always considered her far more intelligent than him, and you do know how intelligent he is) I'd have come out better. I think my two older sisters got all the good genes in good looks and brains, and I got what was left....



All I know is that my father did that a lot back when he still was active in the field in his cleaning business and it worked.

 

[Dolly Llama]

and you do know how intelligent he is)

I do indeed.
I'll also add PapaLee has something else that's not always mutual to intelligence.
That's wisdom

Here's my thing, if the goal is only to make money, then scrub 'n run.
hell, sell 'em scotch guard for the res poly rag they just cimex'd...I don't care.

Just don't call it "quality" cleaning


..L.T.A.

 

[Mikey P]

Although I haven't post padded jn years, there are certain carpets such as sculptured white olefin berbers and most level tortured glue down loop piles that do benefit from post absorbent padding after any type of HWE, along with a pixie juice brightener.

 

[Dolly Llama]

concrete subfloors so uneven a wand won't stay flat on

..L.T.A.