what do you use.....

[Jim Martin]

on a loop berber carpet..8 years old....lots of dirt and abuse .........what do you recommend.........


















I hate having to play this ******* pre-spray game again.......

 

[Bruce Humphrey]

Judson 02 at 2ounces to a gallon with 2 scoops of modifier.

 

[sweendogg]

If we are playing the game lets atleast play what fiber are you cleaning game.

If its Olefin.. I'm going to use Masterblend's Olefin Prespray. 32 to 1 dilutable. If its really bad I'm gonna boost it with a little sodium percarbonate.

If I'm on a job and I find I have no olefin prepsray on board and I'm using Redline.. I'll boost with the sodium Perc and maybe a few ounces of citrus force.

And of course scrub it.

 

[Art Kelley]

on a loop berber carpet..8 years old....lots of dirt and abuse .........what do you recommend.........


I hate having to play this ******* pre-spray game again.......

I would just use what I use on all but a delicate wool; Grease Eraser . On a heavy soiled one I would add an extra scoop (3 oz) in the HF. A nice prescrub with the 175 and no one will do a better job after your fresh water rinse. But maybe Greg Cole could give you a better option.

 

[Jim Martin]

sorry.....its a Olefin

 

[Warren Wallace]

Judson 02 at 2ounces to a gallon with 2 scoops of modifier.

plus high heat and lower the pressure....

 

[Dolly Llama]

Powerburst and 40vol


.L.T.A.

 

[joeynbgky]

Magic wands grease eater. by itself nothing added.. IT works great on all my old nasty apartment berber

 

[daniel@procarpet]

Prespray with your juice of choice. Then use a red pad and shower feed shampoo (I like prochem) through a red pad. Rinse with water. The shampoo will help prevent wicking.

 

[Able 1]

I would have to agree with Larry Powerburst, vol 40, and I usually boost with Citrus Pro... I mix it like normal and use my HF at 4 to 1. Haven't been let down yet.

 

[Hoody]

Jim,

I cleaned a lot of apartments this summer that were olefin. CTI's Extreme Clean mixed 4 scoops to a hydroforce + 4 oz's of CTI's Energy and POWWWWW! I rinsed with Prochems All Fiber Deep Clean. Cleaned great, no wicking issues.

 

[floorguy]

fuuuuuudge thats alot of chems :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

 

[Desk Jockey]

We dryclean all Berber. :roll:

Axiom prespray and detergent.

 

[Hoody]

fuuuuuudge thats alot of chems :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

A 7 quart hydroforce would last us 4 apartments(3 bedroom, LR Hall). In and out in just under an hour.

576oz of powder in a bucket. 8 oz of powder per hydroforce. So we were using 1.3% of the bucket per hydroforce. $2.31 per hydroforce.

I was wrong only using 2oz of the energy. So we were using 1.6% of the gallon per hydroforce. $.51 per hydroforce. $2.82 per hydroforce.

All Fiber Deep Clean @ 18 oz per 5 gallon container. 1.4% of the gallon used. $.38 for a RTU rinse.

$3.20 in total chem costs to make $125. Chem cost at 3%... not a bad trade off.

 

[XTREME1]

almost what Danny boy said but I hydroforce my orangeforce prescrub red pad rinse with acid rinse.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Liquid Tide with Bleach.

boost with floor stripper as needed.

 

[XTREME1]

Do you use orange gel for spots Lee

 

[floorguy]

wd 40....

 

[floorguy]

fuuuuuudge thats alot of chems :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

A 7 quart hydroforce would last us 4 apartments(3 bedroom, LR Hall). In and out in just under an hour.

576oz of powder in a bucket. 8 oz of powder per hydroforce. So we were using 1.3% of the bucket per hydroforce. $2.31 per hydroforce.

I was wrong only using 2oz of the energy. So we were using 1.6% of the gallon per hydroforce. $.51 per hydroforce. $2.82 per hydroforce.

All Fiber Deep Clean @ 18 oz per 5 gallon container. 1.4% of the gallon used. $.38 for a RTU rinse.

$3.20 in total chem costs to make $125. Chem cost at 3%... not a bad trade off.

ok so what does the 7 qt make in real world amounts...

and why does the hydro force seem to have LEss chems in it?? yet draws and sprays a crazy ass amount vs a electric or pump up type???

you know...pump up uses 2 oz a gallon, so a 10 gallon electric would be 20 oz...yet the hydro force needs 8 oz and makes around the 10 gallon mark??

what am i messing???


or maybe thats why this year i have gotten a lot of "ohhhh thats how it suppose to look" comments

 

[Hoody]

fuuuuuudge thats alot of chems :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

A 7 quart hydroforce would last us 4 apartments(3 bedroom, LR Hall). In and out in just under an hour.

576oz of powder in a bucket. 8 oz of powder per hydroforce. So we were using 1.3% of the bucket per hydroforce. $2.31 per hydroforce.

I was wrong only using 2oz of the energy. So we were using 1.6% of the gallon per hydroforce. $.51 per hydroforce. $2.82 per hydroforce.

All Fiber Deep Clean @ 18 oz per 5 gallon container. 1.4% of the gallon used. $.38 for a RTU rinse.

$3.20 in total chem costs to make $125. Chem cost at 3%... not a bad trade off.

ok so what does the 7 qt make in real world amounts...

and why does the hydro force seem to have LEss chems in it?? yet draws and sprays a crazy ass amount vs a electric or pump up type???

you know...pump up uses 2 oz a gallon, so a 10 gallon electric would be 20 oz...yet the hydro force needs 8 oz and makes around the 10 gallon mark??

what am i messing???


or maybe thats why this year i have gotten a lot of "ohhhh thats how it suppose to look" comments

So are you saying you started using an electric or pump up and got better results than prespraying with a hydroforce ?

 

[Ron K]

Post Clean, Dry Bonnet, if needed and then speed dry with an Air Path,

 

[MerCrewser]

fuuuuuudge thats alot of chems :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

.....and alot of work! :shock:

 

[Jeremy]

Snake Oil Low Foam agitated in with the jiggler and a tuway then rinsed with high heat... Pad it out when done with more of the same and a cotton pad or 3 instead of tuways...

or if you're into powders: Clean Streak from Duane Oxley or Powermax from Cobb Carpet, I recommend rinsing agents with these...

or there is always O2 with hot sauce and a light rotary scrub, rinse and post pad... And of course use your O2 Rinse as well.

So to answer you question... Whatever floats your boat and pleases your customers.

 

[Jim Martin]

Powermax from Cobb Carpet

if this worked like it use to I would not be asking this question..........The old stuff would of handled this with no problems.....

 

[floorguy]

i am saying, i tried the HF to see what all the hype was about....

then i got tired of trying to figure out how much to put in...on some chems (off shoot ones lol) :shock: :shock: :shock:

so i like having the you put X amount of oz per gallon...isnt that hard...

and yes, i think it has done better....lugging the old porty out of the truck is a challenge....but i like it for a variety of reasons

 

[Dolly Llama]

and yes, i think it has done better....lugging the old porty out of the truck is a challenge....but i like it for a variety of reasons

you use a porty for a sprayer???? :shock:


..L.T.A.

 

[Hoody]

Doug its really easy.

Standard hydroforce comes with a 8:1 tip, you could argue that its 9:1.

5 quarts is a standard hydroforce jug. What you're doing is making a concentrate to put out 45 quarts of RTU prespray with the standard tip. You have the 5 quarts already in the jug, plus the 40 quarts additionally with an 8:1 tip.

45 quarts is a little over 11 gallons(45/4 quarts in a gallon). If the product says to use 2 ounces per gallon. You're going to use a little over 22 ounces of product in your hydroforce.

 

[floorguy]

and yes, i think it has done better....lugging the old porty out of the truck is a challenge....but i like it for a variety of reasons

you use a porty for a sprayer???? :shock:


..L.T.A.

yup 10 gallon.....

vaca taken out...just a pump and fiberglass frame....put a 50' hose and i can get into 95% of houses from the front door

 

[Jim Bethel]

Hey Jim,

If I can ask (in case I missed something), when you say 'the pre-spray game again' - do you mean if you had your old machine it would have handled it different/better? Or is this just a rat nasty carpet issue??

Jim

 

[XTREME1]

I think he means formulas have been changing after he found the sweet spot