Which HWE combo actually works? :/

[thecleaningdude]

Being a VLM fiend, my HWE experience is limited (though I do possess enough pedestrian knowledge to hurt myself).

My line of thinking is that if I were ever to pony up to a TM, this would be my process:

-Vacuum
-CRB
-Zipper

Additional tools:
-Stair tool
-Spinner
-AW29
-All relevant VLM tools

Does a CRB/Zip replace the need for rotary extraction? Am I totally off my rocker?

 

[Nate The Great]

No, the CRB/Zipper doesn't replace a Rotary Extractor... Although your production rate will go up, it all depends on how you clean and how frequent you clean the same carpeting...

I myself use a Cimex/Zipper combo on Commercial work... Faster than a RE but doesn't "Dig" as deep though.... A RE really shines on matted/trashed cut pile.... I've been raised to be a powerhead user... The days of me having to push a shitty wand on CGD with an old Electric WorkMaster is for the birds.... Wanding alone is too much work for me....

 

[Mikey P]

Like me, you have lower back.issues so my advice will be based on that.

Forget the AW29, get the Mach12 from PMF. Use a whip hose and an extra dry stroke. It Vegas so dry times arnt an issue.
The 10" CRB will be your prescrubber of choice but keep your OP around fit greasy jobs.
BioSolve booster will be your best friend.
As will 40vol.
The 360i will be your go to for when the wand adding cutting it.
The Zipper will come into place when Encap just won't cut it on commercial. Large homes and "I need it dry by dinner time" jobs too.

All those jobs in the past that came out good? Now will be GREAT...

 

[Desk Jockey]

Does a CRB/Zip replace the need for rotary extraction? Am I totally off my rocker?

It would for commercial work but residential you need both the Zipper & the RE.

I went out and cleaned yesterday the AM job was 600sq/ft family room frieze carpet that was really ground in near the recliners. RE kicked its tail. Bed room was berber and the Zipper cleaned it effortlessly and left it very dry.

Second job was supposed to be a master bed room a few chairs and pickup rugs. Millionaire's home, they were out of the country and the house manager walked us through. Master bed room was a huge oriental rug, cleaned the upholstery and Zippered the oriental rug and a large walk-in closet. The Zipper made easy work of the rug and I felt comfortable there about working on the hardwood floor.

You just have to have both!

 

[Mikey P]

You just have to have both!

Agree.



and a honking van.

 

[Desk Jockey]

and a honking van.

I like working out of out Butler in a box. You have room for Cimex, OP machine, anything you need. But we can do it out of the Spartan's too but they are so loaded with wdr equipment its a pain to get other equipment in there.

 

[hogjowl]

"Have to have both ..."

You don't HAVE to have either!

Folks have been cleaning for years with only a 175 and a wand and doing it quite nicely.

The Zipper just makes it go faster.

I don't own a RE, so I won't comment on it. That would be like Taco commenting on cleaning.

 

[Desk Jockey]

"Have to have both ..."
You don't HAVE to have either!

If you want to commit malpractice! Yes what else has changed in all those years? The internet, cell phones, ipads. Tell those local yocals to wake the fuk up!

I don't own a RE, so I won't comment on it. That would be like Taco commenting on cleaning.

Get an RE!

I have to go clean some carpet I will be black...ok back.

This actually makes no sense I go clean carpet so the carpet cleaners can go to a mold job and then I have to pay them more for doing that type of work, while I do their work.

 

[Mikey P]

Folks have been cleaning for years with only a 175 and a wand and doing it quite nicely

.

Ok Larry..


Ignorance is blith.

Danny on Mike's pc.

 

[hogjowl]

I don't have a mullet.

 

[Mikey P]

Did you decide which RE to get?

 

[ruff]

Marty, is right.

On the the hand, if you like all the new gadgets, go for it. They're fun to play with.

• Will they help in certain situations?- yes they will.
• Will they save time, or at times make it easier?- Yes, but not always.
  
• Are they absolutely essential?- No.
• Get them if they save you time, pain or if the circumstances really require them.

In the "formula" for success, gadgets are the smallest (tiny) piece of the pie.

 

[GreenTechAgain]

Is there now a consensus that a Zipper is a good wand for residential?

 

[Desk Jockey]

I don't own a RE, so I won't comment on it.

Buy an XL use it for a month. If you truly don't think its making a significant difference, I will buy it back from you. You just have to pay the shipping to me.

There now you have NO excuse. bitch!

 

[Dolly Llama]

I don't have a mullet.

cause you don't have enough hair ....

..L.T.A.

 

[ruff]

Buy an XL use it for a month. If you truly don't think its making a significant difference, I will buy it back from you. You just have to pay the shipping to me.

There now you have NO excuse. bitch!

You got to be kidding Grasshopper.
How slow are you?
- Marty ain't paying no stinking shipping.

 

[renegade_cowboy]

It goes like this..

I reach for the wand when the carpets are pretty clean.. 2-3 wet strokes.

I reach for the crb/wand combo when the carpets need more than 3 wet strokes.. the crb does dry you prespray a lot faster after prescrubbing so you can't pretreat but 3-5 rooms ahead.. or you have to work harder at breaking the surface tension to get that suspended soil.

I reach for the rotary when its a WTF job.. and we all know those jobs when we see them. NOTHING digs deeper than a rotary and will smack that carpet fiber around like its little biotch. The CRB/wand can get rotary results but its going to decrease your production rate by around 25%-30% in my observation.

I've never used a zipper.. it looks cool and can see how it would work in many soiling situations, but I would buy it last with my tool acquisition quest.

 

[Able 1]

The 10" CRB will be your prescrubber of choice but keep your OP around fit greasy jobs

Is the 10" wide enough? I've been thinking for a while about getting a CRB,(I know my employee would love it)much does it weigh?

 

[Mikey P]

It is for resi work.

Very light weight..

 

[dealtimeman]

No for production you really need a 17 or 20 inch crb.

 

[Able 1]

Looking to scrub in pre-spray for residential and rentals. I need a good alternative to the 175..

 

[Nate The Great]

Looking to scrub in pre-spray for residential and rentals. I need a good alternative to the 175..

If that's what you'd primarily be using it for, I'd say get the 10" CRB... A lot more versatile and light weight in the Residential market..

 

[Mikey P]

Yep.

Get the different brushes and lube the axles frequently

 

[thecleaningdude]

So the progression of acquisition would be from CRB to RE to Zipper?

 

[Nate The Great]

So the progression of acquisition would be from CRB to RE to Zipper?

I'd get the RE first, if your target is more residential.. Zipper and a 175/crb/Cimex if your more commercial.. It does also depend on your target demographic too i.e. upper scale homes, middle class rental, ghettos... Money to be made in any market, just depends on how much work you want..

 

[renegade_cowboy]

So the progression of acquisition would be from CRB to RE to Zipper?

The CRB is more versatile because you can encap with it and prescrub carpets.. so you can do two different services, which every company should offer encap cleaning.

I would get the zipper last because you can easily encap commercial carpet, which that does the best on as commented by many zipper users. If you get a zipper for residential use, you still will have to prescrub the dirty jobs, which means you would have to get a CRB..

So I would go CRB, RE, then zipper.. because the zipper is the least versatile. It can't clean nasty residential carpets without the help of the CRB, and you can easily encap with the CRB.

Really its nice to have all three, but at $2-$3 grand a pop, it might be best to start what benefits you the most right away in many situation.

I bought a refurbished 15 inch rotary from Mytee.. the thing is brand new with just a couple of chrome chips. Paid $1500 or so shipped to me. Saved $1400 or so off a new one. Thing works great at doing what it does.. and is a must needed for the nasty jobs.

 

[Desk Jockey]

1. RE........Residential must have tool
2. Zipper..Commercial HWE must have tool, that can also work very well for residential
3. Cimex...Commercial Encap must have tool

CRB if you have more money than sense. Sure it does a great job of agitation but its not as effective as a stand alone system as other tools. So if you have money falling out your pockets like @dealtimeman, then sure blow $2,500.00 on a preconditioning tool.

Otherwise choose something that is capable of higher production numbers and more effective results.

 

[dealtimeman]

Oh no u didn't!!!

 

[dealtimeman]

R u sain that jus becus I ain't got no monies, I ain't got no scence?

Y u b so rude?

 

[Desk Jockey]

Oh no u didn't!!!

uuhh huh, yes I did!!!