Dumping Waste Water

Kellie Hiler

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That is a good point about not knowing what is in the water.
I was talking to a buddy tonight about this subject and he said that Colorado will likely soon change the dumping laws. He said you can go to a car wash and dump there but even that is getting kind of frowned upon? I never knew you could even do it, but why would there be an issue with it?
 
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That is a good point about not knowing what is in the water.
I was talking to a buddy tonight about this subject and he said that Colorado will likely soon change the dumping laws. He said you can go to a car wash and dump there but even that is getting kind of frowned upon? I never knew you could even do it, but why would there be an issue with it?


Some car wash places recycle the water...... So Mrs. Tanaka's Fido pee will be on the next car.......

At least that's what I've heard....
 
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Some car wash places recycle the water...... So Mrs. Tanaka's Fido pee will be on the next car.......

At least that's what I've heard....

Had a new customer request the first call of the day so we would use our fresh water for her. She thought that carpet cleaners recycled the water. She did not want the last customers pee pee enhanced water used on her carpets....
 
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Had a new customer request the first call of the day so we would use our fresh water for her. She thought that carpet cleaners recycled the water. She did not want the last customers pee pee enhanced water used on her carpets....
i had a customer think that once also, wonder why they think that.
 

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How do I find then, Scott?
there is a toilet in every house, or yours.

If your cleaning with sanitizers i would try not to dump into customers toilet if they have a septic system. but if its in the city then go for it.

This is where it pays to have a automatic pump out system.
 
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If that's true, I sure can't find that exception on the web.
Well, CA did amend the code to allow certain greywater use for irrigation, but it doesn't appear that Mikey's setup qualifies....

California Greywater Regulations
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California’s greywater code is found in Chapter 16 of the California Plumbing Code (CPC). Under the current code washing machine systems can be constructed without a permit in single family homes (1 or 2 units), so long as 12 guidelines are followed (see below). Other types of systems require a permit in the state.

You can download the California state code here. Note that Chapter 16 includes regulations for both “HCD” – the residential code, and “BSC”- the commercial code. If you are building a system in a residential home disregard any requirements that start with “BSC”.

Requirements for no-permit systems in California
Since 2009, the California code does not require a permit or inspection for washing machine systems that do not alter the existing plumbing as long as the installer follows the guidelines listed below. (Note that for a few months single fixture systems were included as part of the permit-exempt systems, but were then removed from the code. Between August 4th, 2009 and January 27th, 2010, it was legal to install the “single fixture” system without a permit.)

Summary of requirements:
The system must:

  • have an easy way to direct flow back to the sewer/septic (like a 3-way valve). The valve must be labeled.
  • send the water to irrigate landscape plantings
  • keep the water on the same property it is produced and follow set-backs listed in the code
  • have a maintenance manual
  • discharge greywater under a 2″ cover of mulch, plastic shield, or stones.
The system must not:

  • contain diaper water
  • contain hazardous chemicals (such as from a home photo lab)
  • have pooling greywater or runoff
  • make greywater accessible to people or pets (such as in an open tub)
  • include a pump (except the washing machine’s internal pump)
  • connect to the potable water supply
  • affect other parts of the building, such as the electrical or structural components.
Text from the Chapter 16 of the California Plumbing Code: Clothes Washer System System
A clothes washer system system in compliance with all of the following is exempt from the construction permit specified in Section 1.8.4.1 and may be installed or altered without a construction permit:

  1. If required, notification has been provided to the Enforcing Agency regarding the proposed location and installation of a graywater irrigation or disposal system.
  2. The design shall allow the user to direct the flow to the irrigation or disposal field or the building sewer. The direction control of the graywater shall be clearly labeled and readily accessible to the user.
  3. The installation, change, alteration or repair of the system does not include a potable water connection or a pump and does not affect other building, plumbing, electrical or mechanical components including structural features, egress, fire-life safety, sanitation, potable water supply piping or accessibility. Note: The pump in a clothes washer shall not be considered part of the graywater system.
  4. The graywater shall be contained on the site where it is generated.
  5. Graywater shall be directed to and contained within an irrigation or disposal field.
  6. Ponding or runoff is prohibited and shall be considered a nuisance.
  7. Graywater may be released above the ground surface provided at least two (2) inches (51 mm) of mulch, rock, or soil, or a solid shield covers the release point. Other methods which provide equivalent separation are also acceptable.
  8. Graywater systems shall be designed to minimize contact with humans and domestic pets.
  9. Water used to wash diapers or similarly soiled or infectious garments shall not be used and shall be diverted to the building sewer.
  10. Graywater shall not contain hazardous chemicals derived from activities such as cleaning car parts washing greasy or oily rags, or disposing of waste solutions from home photo labs or similar hobbyist or home occupational activities.
  11. Exemption from construction permit requirements of this code shall not be deemed to grant authorization for any graywater system to be installed in a manner that violates other provisions of this code or any other laws or ordinances of the Enforcing Agency.
  12. An operation and maintenance manual shall be provided. Directions shall indicate the manual is to remain with the building throughout the life of the system and indicate that upon change of ownership or occupancy, the new owner or tenant shall be notified the structure contains a graywater system.
The laundry-to-landscape system can be constructed to follow these guidelines and be legal without a permit.
 

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When I had my shop in Tennessee, I built a little dump station> Essentially it was a concretebox with sloped sides that fed into an opening in the sewer line where a clean-out port had been. Added some wire filter. About $45 and a few hours of work as bets I recall.

This came after the local newspaper had run a story of another cleaner dumping waste on the roadside. We invited the press to see our new project. They took a few photos. We invited all cleaners in the area to come and dump at our new facility. None ever did, but we got great publicity.
 

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Had a new customer request the first call of the day so we would use our fresh water for her. She thought that carpet cleaners recycled the water. She did not want the last customers pee pee enhanced water used on her carpets....
I have had this request as well. I could never figure out where she got the idea from.
 

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I Don get it......I had a 100 gal WT in my truck...and I would have to dump two maybe three times a day......
I couldn't run to a car wash lik that. .
...every time I had to dump ....yous guys are making no sense
 

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Depending on where the carwash is there are several things that go into carwashes not letting carpet cleaners dump.
1. In some locations carwashes have to pay additional for the water that they dump back into the sewer system. The thought is that the carwash has a higher level of solids and chemicals than the average waste that is being generated.
2. In some locations car washes are required to have a waste holding tank that the used water flows into and once a week a septic truck comes in and removes the waste water for processing.
3. In some car washes they filter out the solids and reuse the used water for the initial "rinse" or wetting of the car before the actual wash occurs. meaning that carpet cleaning chemicals are being applied to cars not just car wash chemicals.

What ever the rule is the car washes have to pay to be in operation and carpet cleaners should not dump their water for free at another business who then has to pay for/deal with the results. If you want to dump at a car wash, go talk to the owner and work out a deal.
 

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I Don get it......I had a 100 gal WT in my truck...and I would have to dump two maybe three times a day......
I couldn't run to a car wash lik that. .
...every time I had to dump ....yous guys are making no sense
That or you should have an automatic pump out on your system to pump the used water into the customers sanitary sewer.
 

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Dump / tank rinse station at the shop. Pump outs in the trucks. Typically have to pump out at one job somewhere during the day, so techs pick one with easy access to the washer drain. Even though legal to ground dump, it invites questions from neighbors, so we don't do it.
 

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A friend of mine had a scratch on his thumb and came into contact with water that had been sitting in a cooling tower sump (think giant swamp cooler). He ended up spending two weeks in the hospital, had two surgeries and nearly lost his hand. With recovered cleaning solution you have the added possibility of blood-borne diseases like hep-c if you have a cut or scratch. Under the right conditions contaminated water can be extremely dangerous. I personally wouldn't risk it.....
 
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We were fortunate when we purchased our place in Lexington that had a clean out next to where we park our trucks and another in the back yard. And guys don't take me to serious I was only kidding above.
 

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