Redneck Engineering At It's Finest

[Willy P]

I AM AMAZED at how complicated ya'll can make something so simple!


I weep for what you fookers have done to my industry!!!

And I cry for the ignoramus lard assed pencil pushing desk jockeys that criticize the efforts of those that spend piles of their own money and share the results freely to others within the industry. And do tell us, oh Great Swami, what innovations you come up with? Anyone else hear crickets?

 

[Desk Jockey]

Well i did re-invent the phrase "fook you".

 

[ruff]

No!
But by the merit of it's super frequent use alone, you own it

 

[Desk Jockey]

Hey, I know it ain't much but I'll take it.

I possess a very limited vocabulary. Its comprised mostly of expletives.

I yam what I yam.

 

[Willy P]

All kidding and poop flinging aside, I really like tinkering , I geek out at the vacuum motor store and I'm the furthest thing from being mechanically inclined.I do understand airflow and a few other things about recovering water. I bought a bunch of Domels to play around with. I mounted 3 in my Recoil, all in parallel. The amp draw was ridiculous, but for the 45 seconds it ran, well it was pretty awesome. Too bad, but power limitations. I used a set of 2 hp 2 stages in series on an old school Ninja, bored out the other side of the lid , put in a hose barb and stuck a tool box booster with the same vacs as was in the machine with a General pump. The set up was pretty awesome, but I had to stop and refill halfway through a one bedroom. I bought the warriors because I was impressed with the set up. Not the working parts so much, but the $700 to replace the vacs every year was a drag. I bought the powerflite to continue my experiments.25 amps on one circuit,13 on the other, put a fan in the motor compartment after 2 pumps in 2 months so I had to add a cord Shitty vac, tiny recovery tank, but it was able to keep up the heat better than even my 3250 watt kleenrite with one cord instead of 2. 160 inches water, but the CFM was sad. Moving forward I decided to experiment with the bucket booster. Still has really good lift, but way better airflow. The pump went in my dual 3 stage Steamway with the specifically built manifold, but when I get it back, I expect some serious awesome. I'm going to Ron's shop tomorrow on my way home from a job and I'll put a gauge on and see what readings I get. Pics and results tomorrow.

 

[Willy P]

Here we go. It had a sealed lift of 12 inches mercury from 35 feet. The booster adds about 100 cfm to system. I don't have a cfm tester. Cleanworks Ron was pretty impressed with the performance and sees the possibilities. I'm thinking of a few other things to do.....

 

[Cleanworks]

Actually works pretty good. Sticks the wand to the carpet like glue. Can it be improved? Sure. I would lose the cord wrap and use just a shorty cord that I could hook up an extension cord to. Needs to be vented at the top to prevent the motor from cooking itself. Some potential for developing a pre heat exchanger. A lot of heat builds up under that pail and could be tapped with a copper coil before heading into your electric heater. For a home built prototype, it is amazing in it's simplicity and effectiveness. Pulling 12 inches Hg and the airflow wants to suck your hand right through the hose.

 

[rick imby]

Here's the deal, leaving physics out of it. Take a box and put a 2 inch hole in it. Install a vacuum motor on top of the box. Turn it on and feel the suction. Now install another vac motor on top of the box. Turn it on and feel the suction. It will feel much stronger. The lift will be the same with 1 or 2 motors but the extra airflow will make your wand stick to the carpet. Now add a third vac motor on top of the box. You would think someone is fooling you and substituted their truck mount. I will be building another portable soon. I will show you the difference when it's built.

Ron--I was going off the statement Willy made earlier that this machine had two motors in SERIES. With the Bucket Booster the third motor is in Parallel with the Series motors.

With just the Two Motors in Series and the third motor removed there is more lift than with this set up.

I would bet you Richard's last dollar---I never bet with my money---

If the first two motors are in parallel and the third motor in parallel with them then the lift won't change.

No matter how the first two motors are mounted adding the Bucket Booster will add cfm.

This really isn't rocket science, more like barnyard bucket science...

P.S. Your Barnyard Monster Porty is the best....

 

[Willy P]

 

[dgardner]

It had a sealed lift of 12 inches mercury from 35 feet.

Willy, what's the measured lift with same setup only the third motor removed and replaced with the original lid?

 

[dgardner]

With just the Two Motors in Series and the third motor removed there is more lift than with this set up.
I would bet you Richard's last dollar---I never bet with my money---
If the first two motors are in parallel and the third motor in parallel with them then the lift won't change.
No matter how the first two motors are mounted adding the Bucket Booster will add cfm.

Agreed - if all vacs are the same model (same specs).

 

[Desk Jockey]

The same reading, just less electricity expended.

 

[Cleanworks]

They are in this case. Next one, is 2-8.4's. hopefully I will have enough amperage left over to run a pump.

 

[Willy P]

Willy, what's the measured lift with same setup only the third motor removed and replaced with the original lid?

Pretty much the same Dan. The added CFM with that much lift is the key. I need to buy an anemometer or find one I can borrow to check what the airflow actually is. I'm working on a way to mount 2 motors on the top instead of one........

 

[rick imby]

Willy

There have been a few guys that have built tool box boosters with two vac motors in them. Put a short hose
---like Richard has----on it up to the top like your bucket booster and then hang it from the handle to your machine with velcro straps or bunji's. If you built the tool box booster as a series unit then you would end up with a 2x2 vacuum configuration. Rumored to be the best configuration for 4 motors.

You could then use this booster on any of your machines with the same waste tank access hole.---I would be nervous about using a dual vac motor series booster on your machines that are running their two motors as parallel. Maybe too much suck from the top?

Don't put too long of straps holding the tool box to your extractor handle or you might get whacked where it hurts when you haul it up stairs... Or you could just hire Richard to come haul your porty up stairs. He is getting in shape.

I would offer to help but I would rather go bike riding....

Also remember in this industry I am just a Keyboard Mechanic....

 

[Desk Jockey]

I'm getting my legs in shape....to kick that hunk of junk down a flight of stairs.

Gezzz you need a license to drive a car, to hunt or fish but they will let any dumbass buy a portable to clean carpet with.

 

[Willy P]

I saw those legs in your biking attire Chavez. Were you wearing pantyhose?

 

[Willy P]

Willy

There have been a few guys that have built tool box boosters with two vac motors in them. Put a short hose
---like Richard has----on it up to the top like your bucket booster and then hang it from the handle to your machine with velcro straps or bunji's. If you built the tool box booster as a series unit then you would end up with a 2x2 vacuum configuration. Rumored to be the best configuration for 4 motors.

You could then use this booster on any of your machines with the same waste tank access hole.---I would be nervous about using a dual vac motor series booster on your machines that are running their two motors as parallel. Maybe too much suck from the top?

Don't put too long of straps holding the tool box to your extractor handle or you might get whacked where it hurts when you haul it up stairs... Or you could just hire Richard to come haul your porty up stairs. He is getting in shape.

I would offer to help but I would rather go bike riding....

Also remember in this industry I am just a Keyboard Mechanic....

I had a 2 by 2 system on my old ninja, all 2 stage vacs in series , to a parallel. I did use a toolbox booster and it was pretty awesome. I've graduated up to 3 stage vacs now, and amp issues will rear their head if I add another one it's going to be a stretch. I need a pump and that takes a few amps too.

 

[Desk Jockey]

I saw those legs in your biking attire Chavez. Were you wearing pantyhose?

Never!!!

I was biking dipshit! I wear panty hose with a dress.

 

[Willy P]

Never!!!

I was biking dipshit! I wear panty hose with a dress.

Queen sized no doubt.....

 

[Desk Jockey]

King, dude I am Mighty!

P.S. I don't have biking attire. Those are my "grass cutting" clothes. : )

 

[Willy P]

I knew you'd want pantyhose to go with your spandex biking girdle......

 

[Desk Jockey]

I don't have one of those but...IF one were looking, where would one find one?

 

[rick imby]

Willy
There are some low amp 3 stage vacs that a couple of guys have used behind the new 8.4" 2 stage vacuums that will both work on one 15 amp circuit.

Chavez
Don't let these wanna bees get you down. Keep riding...

 

[bob vawter]

I once had a girlfriend that sucked harder than that!

OUCH!

 

[SamIam]

Pretty much the same Dan. The added CFM with that much lift is the key. I need to buy an anemometer or find one I can borrow to check what the airflow actually is. I'm working on a way to mount 2 motors on the top instead of one........

I'm sure it's more than a fart

Chavez on Sam's phone.

 

[Desk Jockey]

"Chavez
Don't let these wanna bees get you down. Keep riding..."
Its been raining here all weekend. Can't wait to ride but I'll have to take my bike to the city. The road is all mud.

 

[Cleanworks]

Willy

There have been a few guys that have built tool box boosters with two vac motors in them. Put a short hose
---like Richard has----on it up to the top like your bucket booster and then hang it from the handle to your machine with velcro straps or bunji's. If you built the tool box booster as a series unit then you would end up with a 2x2 vacuum configuration. Rumored to be the best configuration for 4 motors.

You could then use this booster on any of your machines with the same waste tank access hole.---I would be nervous about using a dual vac motor series booster on your machines that are running their two motors as parallel. Maybe too much suck from the top?

Don't put too long of straps holding the tool box to your extractor handle or you might get whacked where it hurts when you haul it up stairs... Or you could just hire Richard to come haul your porty up stairs. He is getting in shape.

I would offer to help but I would rather go bike riding....

Also remember in this industry I am just a Keyboard Mechanic....

Hey Rick, I built one of those tool box boosters and it did work ok but it was a pita, in the way all the time. We always want more power but there are limits as to what is practical. Most portables out there do an acceptable job with the length of hose they are designed to use. It's only when you want to exceed those specs that you really need more power. A single cord portable with 2 8 amp 2stage motors will pull about 135 inches water lift with a maximum air flow of about 100 cfm and that's about all you need on a 15 ft hose. Let's say you want to do a 2-story condo where you don't have access to a tm, if you add a 13.5 amp 3 stage in parallel, you won't increase the lift any but you can hook up a 35 foot hose to do the upper area without having to haul the machine upstairs. 135inches h20 is about 10 inches hg. That's lots of suction if you have enough air flow. Where you will notice the difference, put a 15 ft hose on a basic portable and seal the open with your hand, you will hear the vac motors rev up almost instantly. Put a 35 ft hose on it and do the same and you will notice a considerable lack of time before the motors rev up fully. By adding the booster, although we haven't increased the lift, we have put the lift right where we need it, which as at the wand.

 

[Desk Jockey]

What about Terry's Vac Booster? It looked well designed.

 

[Cleanworks]

Steam Brite sells a model that is almost identical to Willy's except it is vented with holes in the bucket for $449.00

Agreed - if all vacs are the same model (same specs).

Actually Rick, you might win that bet. Looking at Steam Brites performance chart, they indicate just what you are saying. When you have motors in series and add a parallel booster, it seems to drop the lift a little. With the increased airflow, you still have a net increase in useable power. Looking at numbers on a chart can't really explain it. When you see and feel it in person, it is a dramatic difference.