Which one of those fabric protectors are recommended?
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Sierra Clean Care
Member
I know prochem has a RTU protector out.... Covers 200 Sqft, for 1 gal.( one L/R)???? My cost, 52.00bucks? No thank you.....
Mikey P
Administrator
Try Cobb's..
Larry Cobb
Member
Our solvent-based Ultraseal will treat 1000 sq. ft. of typical weight fabric per gallon.
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78&products_id=1226
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78&products_id=1226
I've never heard that comment "fabric weight per gallon" . Can you dumb that down for me?Our solvent-based Ultraseal will treat 1000 sq. ft. of typical weight fabric per gallon.
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78&products_id=1226
Mikey P
Administrator
He means if your spraying thin fabrics, you may get 1000 sq ft of coverage out of a gallon.
@Jim Pemberton can you please list the orher solvent based protectors on the market?
@Jim Pemberton can you please list the orher solvent based protectors on the market?
Charlie Lyman
Supportive Member
@Larry Cobb the smell of the Ultraseal can get annoying. Is there a way to add a fragrance to it to offset the solvent smell?
Steve Lawrence
Member
I've tried using solvent protectors but it's just too much solvent vapor for my techs and customers to breathe.
I don't think it's a healthy practice.
We do use a solvent protector for furniture but it's a lot less product and we ventilate well.
I don't think it's a healthy practice.
We do use a solvent protector for furniture but it's a lot less product and we ventilate well.
Cleanworks
Moderator
When using any protector, use an appropriate respirator, have lots of ventilation and move the customers and pets out of the room. It's not just the solvents, you don't want the active ingredients clogging up your lungs.
Is it the same type of smell that new carpet gives when it's off gassing?
PrimaDonna
Megatron
You may find Fiber ProTector a great alternative. They have both solvent and water based that doesn't require mixing. But, it is pricy. You may do better sticking with Scothgard or Maxim to start.
Message me if you want to learn more about Fiber Protector.
Message me if you want to learn more about Fiber Protector.
Nate The Great
Member
I actually like the smell of Cobb's protector... Too bad shipping is expensive to us... I'm curious how much a 55 gallon drum costs.....? Aiea, Hawaii 96701
@Larry Cobb
ruff
Member
You're right about protection. If I am not mistaken, Teflon etc. (Fluoro chemicals) are pretty inert (non reactive), yet you still do not want it coating your lungs.
Any solvent based protectant will leave too much solvent present on the premises, not all of which will evaporate as quickly as one assumes.
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Larry Cobb
Member
Thanks , Jerry.
Since it is solvent-based, it works well on tile & grout . . .
and will not leave a haze on even black marble.
Since it is solvent-based, it works well on tile & grout . . .
and will not leave a haze on even black marble.
Desk Jockey
Member
We use Prochem's Flourosi II. Its OMS base but smells clean.
It works great we've used it for many years. We sprayed several thousands of dollars of it for one commercial client.
However lke all solvents you need to take precautions if spraying a lot pieces with it.
Good ventilation, PPE for you, client out of the area, don't put back in service until cured.
It works great we've used it for many years. We sprayed several thousands of dollars of it for one commercial client.
However lke all solvents you need to take precautions if spraying a lot pieces with it.
Good ventilation, PPE for you, client out of the area, don't put back in service until cured.
There's 2 more protectors out there that make me curious: Harvard's and Masterblend's. Maybe @Mark Saiger can enlighten us on Harvard's and is there anyone that's used Masterblend's?
Nate The Great
Member
I've only used MasterBlend's Ultimate Solvent Protector on 3 silk rugs... Smell isn't very strong as we had to spray it on location due to the timing of the confirmation... Client home and was able to close off the area we sprayed it in... Performance I'm unsure of, but it does have UV blocker in it also from what I've seen on the bottle...
cleanking
Member
Can a solvent based protector be sprayed on wet fiber? @Larry Cobb
Mark Saiger
Mr Happy!
The solvent based we use all the time is Harvard CR 10 that actually has no odor.
The other pro blocker has no odor as well.
I use the CR 10 on everything but tile and grout myself.
https://www.saigers.com/supplies/category/fabric-and-carpet-protectors
Larry Cobb
Member
Jordan;
The Ultraseal solvent protector on it's way to you . . . ,
can be applied to "damp rugs" out of the centrifuge.
It is also not combustible, due to our proprietary blend of solvents.
Some of them actually have a pleasant odor, as Nate noticed.
And they dry faster than "OMS" solvents.
We have several rug cleaners ordering multiple drums for their "premium protection",
compared to "brand name" water-based fluorochemicals.
The fluorochemical has enough affinity for the fiber,
that it will attach to fiber even in the presence of moisture.
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The Great Oz
Member
There are functionally only two protectors on the market: those that use silicone as a water blocker; those that use a fluoropolymer as a water and oil blocker. Not being a tent maker, I'll skip the silicones.
The differences then come down to the solvent chosen as a carrier (most use OMS) and the amount of solids (fluoropolymer) in the mix. Larry using other solvents may make a faster drying product or reduce odor, at the expense of possibly being a little more expensive.
Be aware that a high solid percentage isn't better if misused. For example, a "bulletproof" product might work great for outdoor fabric and might make anything else feel stiff.
The differences then come down to the solvent chosen as a carrier (most use OMS) and the amount of solids (fluoropolymer) in the mix. Larry using other solvents may make a faster drying product or reduce odor, at the expense of possibly being a little more expensive.
Be aware that a high solid percentage isn't better if misused. For example, a "bulletproof" product might work great for outdoor fabric and might make anything else feel stiff.
Larry Cobb
Member
There are about 8 fluorochemical types to choose from today .
We think we have chosen the most effective type of product for Oil and Water repellency.
Solvent-based fluorochemicals don't leave the stiff hand that water-based products are known for.
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Desk Jockey
Member
In this day and age of chemical phobia, its a wise idea.
People crack me up. They will be worried about Encap particles but are willing to spray chemicals and have vapor for their clients to breathe.
Larry Cobb
Member
The product you need to avoid breathing, is the protector itself (water or solvent).
Once it falls to the carpet or rug, it attaches fairly quickly.
Once it falls to the carpet or rug, it attaches fairly quickly.
Desk Jockey
Member
No, you are missing the point. While I do have concerns about out tech applying product. He can easily be protected with a full face respirator and organic vapor cartridge.
Its the client that I am concerned about, and not necessarily the exposure but the perception I am using products that could be hazardous to them or their family.
Even more is the possibility of issues, real or imagined related to the products we used or exposed them to.
We have pollution insurance but deductibles are expensive. We manage risk by using as little solvents in the home as necessary to be effective. No fogging, spraying or large concentration without ventilation and the occupants being out of the area.
Its the client that I am concerned about, and not necessarily the exposure but the perception I am using products that could be hazardous to them or their family.
Even more is the possibility of issues, real or imagined related to the products we used or exposed them to.
We have pollution insurance but deductibles are expensive. We manage risk by using as little solvents in the home as necessary to be effective. No fogging, spraying or large concentration without ventilation and the occupants being out of the area.
hogjowl
Idiot™
One of the two of us manage to pollute every house we go into, but the open vacuum hose is our insurance.
Desk Jockey
Member
You are a gas bubble! Show some restraint please! 
Larry Cobb
Member
Charlie;
We do have a new solvent that actually smells quite good.
We have added it to our POG formulation with good feedback.
It can be added to the Ultraseal.
Let me know on your next order, and you can try it.
The Great Oz
Member
I understand the political concern about a solvent odor. Easily handled by asking the customer if it will bother them.
The concern about inhaling protectant or carrier is a sign of proper concern for tech and customer. It is a valid concern if you're going to be spraying above your head, but not if you're applying the product correctly. "Drift" is quite small if you use low pressure and a large jet, even better if the jet puts the product close to the textile. We've had to test this at the direction of the Seattle Fire Department. The verdict from the industrial hygienist: No fire issue, no health issue. Respirators not required.
The concern about inhaling protectant or carrier is a sign of proper concern for tech and customer. It is a valid concern if you're going to be spraying above your head, but not if you're applying the product correctly. "Drift" is quite small if you use low pressure and a large jet, even better if the jet puts the product close to the textile. We've had to test this at the direction of the Seattle Fire Department. The verdict from the industrial hygienist: No fire issue, no health issue. Respirators not required.
