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bill luke

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I wonder what would cause a machine to be labeled,"a lemon"..does multiple and constant issues make it a lemon.im curious ,many issues with mine,as with others
 

FredC

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not likely....but I'm not a lawyer

I doubt it qualifies as a consumer product (or farm machinery in some states).
Your machine is beyond the warranty right (6 years old?)?
Lemon law/mmwa is a warranty act.

If it did qualify was there an actual breach of the warranty ?

multiple and constant doesn't necessarily mean lemon

Is this an attempt to get a current issue resolved?
 

Mark Saiger

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With my van, it was considered a Commercial Vehicle....so no lemon law would apply....to get a lemon law would have been and taken a different avenue.

I know of one person who did get the commercial version of lemon law applied to his van....but he lost a ton of money, no credit for his wrap...and everything was still a pain in the rear...

(PS....I hate my local GM dealership for being a bunch of putz's causing all my trouble)

Find a fix, or trade it off would be my thoughts....it sometimes isn't worth all the headaches of complaining about something that doesn't work for you.....my experience anyway...
 

bill luke

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not likely....but I'm not a lawyer

I doubt it qualifies as a consumer product (or farm machinery in some states).
Your machine is beyond the warranty right (6 years old?)?
Lemon law/mmwa is a warranty act.

If it did qualify was there an actual breach of the warranty ?

multiple and constant doesn't necessarily mean lemon

Is this an attempt to get a current issue resolved?
 

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My ignition wire was loose no juice.

Took it in an edit started the tightened up the key housing no problem since.


My tech uses this machine and beats it up.

I said if you see anything loose tell me.

He said oh ya that's started getting loose a couple days ago.
 
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bill luke

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Probably more of a pain in the rear,than a lemon. Maybe a poor choice of wording.gonna take it in. By the way, p lime is great
 

bill luke

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My ignition wire was loose no juice.

Took it in an edit started the tightened up the key housing no problem since.


My tech uses this machine and beats it up.

I said if you see anything loose tell me.

He said oh ya that's started getting loose a couple days
 

bill luke

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I thought it was the waste tank float,again,but its somewhere in the wire from the connector it wont bypass with jumpers,,,have talked with chuck from sapphire ,just no fix yet thanks
 
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It won't bypass what? Do you mean the diverter doesn't open and close? Are you in a hot climate? Have you done the water box upgrade?
 
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So you're saying its a lemon because the float doesn't work. I'll take that problem all day long if thats all I have to deal with. My machine has shut down twice maybe because of the tank filling in 4 years.
 
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So you're saying its a lemon because the float doesn't work. I'll take that problem all day long if thats all I have to deal with. My machine has shut down twice maybe because of the tank filling in 4 years.
No, he's saying it's showing similar symptoms of a bad waste tank float that isn't the problem. That's the way I understood it
 

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could be the way it is wired..is the float breaking the power...or is it breaking the ground...

did they wire it to normally open...or did they wire it to normally closed...
 

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I thought it was the waste tank float,again,but its somewhere in the wire from the connector it wont bypass with jumpers,,,have talked with chuck from sapphire ,just no fix yet thanks
I've had several wire problems and it usually was the by pass switch a relay went bad and a wire came loose.

I have to drive an hour to have someone look at mine.
 

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My ignition wire was loose no juice.

Took it in an edit started the tightened up the key housing no problem since.


My tech uses this machine and beats it up.

I said if you see anything loose tell me.

He said oh ya that's started getting loose a couple days ago.


I had that pro1200 check engine light for bank 1,3,5,7 open injector so it runs in safe mode or dummy mode.

Had it a a local shop 10 days I told him bad wiring bad injector or bad ecm. Monday he said it's inthe working first injector so getting 12 volts. Havent heard from him since.

I really don't know what to do anymore.
 

Jim Martin

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I had that pro1200 check engine light for bank 1,3,5,7 open injector so it runs in safe mode or dummy mode.

Had it a a local shop 10 days I told him bad wiring bad injector or bad ecm. Monday he said it's inthe working first injector so getting 12 volts. Havent heard from him since.

I really don't know what to do anymore.


just a thought..but...has anyone checked to see if there is a power loss to the transmission...if for some reason there is a power loss... they go into limp mode...they may be looking in the wrong spot...could be a simple speed sensor that is doing it.....
 
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Nomad74

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The Harwill floats are the weak link in my system. I've replaced them more times than I care to count. The magnets get weak over time and they just stop working. I've done everything to try and extend their life, but when they want to go bad, it's a downward spiral. You may get a Dead-Cat-Bounce out of them, but they will die. I really wish there was a better answer for this. The floats are stupid expensive. I've tried to replace them with cheaper floats and some adapters, but couldn't get them to work, so I went back to the Harwill. Right now my High-level float stopped working so if I forget to turn on my APO I'll have water shooting out my blower. I call that my "Third Float" :)

Love my TM, I can deal with weak floats. I would do it again in a heartbeat.
 
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I'm back and forth. If it stops on me I just take the "t" pig tail out and straight connect to bypass the float.
 

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