SS 12" vs` PMF Mach 12"

[Johnny]

Was having shoulder pain about a year ago. PMF Mach 12 was the lightest wand I could find. Replaced the PMF single-piece slot glide with a GreenGlide hole glide because it was easier on my shoulders. The steel lips are also removed to fit the GreenGlide. It seems almost too light, but works well for me, and my shoulders are good.

Is the SS 12 any better than a Mach 12 with GreenGlide?

 

[Mikey P]

The jet placing is as perfect as the Dev12, making it feel and look like you are cleaning with a single jet wand. ( the M12 stock jetting placement is horrible
Airflow is noticeable better as well.

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[sassyotto]

I thought we all agreed that at the price of the SS you may as well get the Devastator

 

[FB7777]

We can’t all agree on anything....

 

[Mikey P]

I thought we all agreed that at the price of the SS you may as well get the Devastator

Plenty of We's who don't wand a swivel or the complexity involved

 

[Johnny]

Just wondering whether the difference between the two wands is worth the $, now that the lightweight Mach 12 has achieved its objective of helping my shoulders.

 

[Mikey P]

You already own the Mach 12 so it's probably not worth spending another $1,200 for a little bit of increase in vacuum and better jet performance when you can tweak the Mach 12 jets with some cutting and bending to get them almost perfect, but if somebody were shopping between the two wands it's a no-brainer

 

[icleancarpetz]

Been using mach 12 for several years. Tweaked the jets with Joe Bristol jet paçk.

The glide believe it or not is the original Teflon glide I bought with the wand 7-8 yrs ago. And still going strong. Lost a couple of screws but still going strong. With out it, the wand locks on to the carpet...son of a gun to push.

love my Mach12.

 

[Mikey P]

Been using mach 12 for several years. Tweaked the jets with Joe Bristol jet paçk.

The glide believe it or not is the original Teflon glide I bought with the wand 7-8 yrs ago. And still going strong. Lost a couple of screws but still going strong. With out it, the wand locks on to the carpet...son of a gun to push.

love my Mach12.

you seriously tried to run that wand with out a glide?

 

[icleancarpetz]

When i first got it, i installed what i think were called ‘lip glides¿’ at the time. They were like crappy glides that wouldnt stay on. Took them off all together on the last job. What a bear it was to move the wand without a glide. I knew through that experience i had a kick azz wand. Called pmf and they sent me their glide. Still using the same one to this day. Slot Glide.

i also have the Mach15 2” tube. Beefy wand Very seldom do i use it anymore. Like new toys when they first come out, you play with it for a while then toss it to the side.
Gotta a punch of SS wands. Dont know what to do with them. Maybe melt them down and make some rims out of them¿

 

[Dolly Llama]

you seriously tried to run that wand with out a glide?

how's it compare to an unglided PC-Ti?

..L.T.A.

 

[Mikey P]

how's it compare to an unglided PC-Ti?

..L.T.A.

The PC tie was made to run without a glide remember it had metal lips forged into the head

The Mach 12 has no lips and is just a sharp edge All the way around and very wide open..

 

[icleancarpetz]

The PC tie was made to run without a glide remember it had metal lips forged into the head

The Mach 12 has no lips and is just a sharp edge All the way around and very wide open..

PMF did make a metal glide for it. I have them too. Just not the same push n pull like Teflon,

 

[Mikey P]

PMF did make a metal glide for it. I have them too. Just not the same push n pull like Teflon,

Pics?

 

[BIG WOOD]

It was a terrible glide. My m12 titanium was not a friendly tool with those lips. I got rid of it very soon after

 

[Mikey P]

Metal lips wont work on that huge gaap

 

[icleancarpetz]

Huge gap is good on a wand so long as the rest of the airflow intake is properly designed and not restricted by just two pieces (head n tube) welded together and you are using a good match, engine to blower combo. Using a high air flow wand with a portable is a waste of both money and effort. In that situation you want a wand that restricts air flow in order to get somewhat decent air intake from the blower motors on a portable or you could restrict airflow some by using a whole glide or a slot glide that lessons the gap and restricts airflow. Im not an engineer by no means but i think I’m right.

 

[Mikey P]

You want a wand that manages air flow...

From the carpet to the vac cuff.



Very few do.

 

[Dolly Llama]

You want a wand that manages air flow...

From the carpet to the vac cuff.

as an ex "over thinking rocket surgeon", I'll suggest building the "perfect wand" that needs to be choked down is an example of a malidy called ORSS (overthinking rocket surgeon syndrome)


problem with over wide slot isn't with the vac system (any #4 blower has more than enough)
it's when the slot is too wide, the interface slot angle position becomes more critical to prevent HG lose...or in layman's terms, "you lose suck" at the fiber if/when wand position isn't on the money


..L.T.A.

 

[hogjowl]

I thought you said “ex”?

 

[BIG WOOD]

What happened to Tom’s lift adjuster that he had on the front of the glide.

The idea was to turn up the lift on the tm (15+) and crack open the air port on the glide for that to be the vac relief, causing the air flow and lift to work together more.

Did that idea fail?

 

[icleancarpetz]

I thought you said “ex”?

Please Mr Piglet, don’t mess this thread up. Please¿

 

[Dolly Llama]

I thought you said “ex”?

I am .
In the sense I determined thru trial, error and constant evaluation of 20 years full time wand sloging that going to the "oomph degree" on this stuff has little "practical" value in reality

the moral of the story is ...
"don't overthink it"

given your capacity, that should be easy for you...

..L.T.A.

 

[Mikey P]

What happened to Tom’s lift adjuster that he had on the front of the glide.

The idea was to turn up the lift on the tm (15+) and crack open the air port on the glide for that to be the vac relief, causing the air flow and lift to work together more.

Did that idea fail?

nope, worked great. But "you" wont even pay for his wand, you certainly wont pay for that complicated contraption.

 

[Dolly Llama]

What happened to Tom’s lift adjuster that he had on the front of the glide.

The idea was to turn up the lift on the tm (15+) and crack open the air port on the glide for that to be the vac relief, causing the air flow and lift to work together more.

Did that idea fail?

ORSS


..L.T,A.

 

[hogjowl]

Please Mr Piglet, don’t mess this thread up. Please¿

It’s hard to suppress natural talent

 

[Meter Maid]

I owned the 12 inch Devastator. Sold it, even though I shouldn’t have. But if I still had it, I would still use the sapphire 12 inch.

Weight matters when you do thousands of reps per day.

The swivel adds weight.

I’d say the SS12 has at least the same airflow as the Devastator. But it’s much lighter and is a joy to use.

The only thing I miss is the window.

 

[FredC]

What happened to Tom’s lift adjuster that he had on the front of the glide.

The idea was to turn up the lift on the tm (15+) and crack open the air port on the glide for that to be the vac relief, causing the air flow and lift to work together more.

Did that idea fail?

It infringed on Nellos' patent...

 

[Cleanworks]

If a wand works better on a truck mount, it will also work better on a portable, vacuum wise. better air flow is better air flow.

 

[Hack Attack]

What happened to Tom’s lift adjuster that he had on the front of the glide.

The idea was to turn up the lift on the tm (15+) and crack open the air port on the glide for that to be the vac relief, causing the air flow and lift to work together more.

Did that idea fail?

I can remember Duane Oxley posting something similar, dont know if he ever made anything