100% VLM ???

[BIG WOOD]

Just keeeeep puuuhshiiing it down deeper. Push, push harder.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZKo_y9tcROM?si=gYGj69LyXe4yE4b9



View: https://youtu.be/veMubIDBbSs?si=ezWpnvYAv_OfVxP6

 

[BIG WOOD]

Just keeeeep puuuhshiiing it down deeper. Push, push harder.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZKo_y9tcROM?si=gYGj69LyXe4yE4b9



View: https://youtu.be/veMubIDBbSs?si=ezWpnvYAv_OfVxP6

So one guy says they reserve all day to buff and clean just one simple residential job and the other guy took over 10minutes to buff that little room of carpet

Time is money. It takes longer to buff carpet than it does to HWE it properly

I’m keeping the wheel of argument rolling

 

[Dwain Ray]

So one guy says they reserve all day to buff and clean just one simple residential job and the other guy took over 10minutes to buff that little room of carpet

Time is money. It takes longer to buff carpet than it does to HWE it properly

I’m keeping the wheel of argument rolling

 

[they live]

Just keeeeep puuuhshiiing it down deeper. Push, push harder.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZKo_y9tcROM?si=gYGj69LyXe4yE4b9



View: https://youtu.be/veMubIDBbSs?si=ezWpnvYAv_OfVxP6

Imagine what the stair banister looks like after dragging those machines up and down the stairs.

I put a buffer through a wall once. I told the owner of the CD we shouldn't do the job because the carpet was loose and buckled.
Sure enough it pulled loose from the tackstrip wrapped around the pad driver and it went right into the wall.

Had one almost through me out a 3rd floor window once too.

 

[SteamwayPro]

The GROUP THINK was working hard yesterday



Well of course it pushes it down. That's COMMON SENSE !!!

The weight of the machine pushes the detergent with the dirt inside down and when it dries ( 1-2 hours ) it crystallizes. What don't you understand ???

Residential - A detergent is sprayed on carpet loosing dirt. CRB scrubs carpet breaking soil away from the carpet fibers into the detergent. When carpet dries the dirt is encapsulated in the detergent then crystallizes. UNDERSTAND ???



HWE uses WATER PRESSURE that pushes dirt down ( COMMON SENSE ) but uses at least 5 times the amount of water. Takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if customer is lucky ) and has a TM and Van loaded with equipment worth $50,000 $$$$ outside blasting away, burning petroleum more $$$, and disturbing the neighbors. The dirt in the dirty water left behind after carpet dries settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder from prespray and detergent.



LESS water MORE agitation !!!

 

[SteamwayPro]

I'm getting excellent results using Releasit Hydrox and Encap Punch on Residential and my Apt Complex

I ordered two cases of Encap Punch but for the second time in 6 weeks Fed Ex damaged something I ordered so I only got one


Yes I know. Nobody cares

 

[BIG WOOD]

The weight of the machine pushes the detergent with the dirt inside down and when it dries ( 1-2 hours ) it crystallizes. What don't you understand ???

Residential - A detergent is sprayed on carpet loosing dirt. CRB scrubs carpet breaking soil away from the carpet fibers into the detergent. When carpet dries the dirt is encapsulated in the detergent then crystallizes. UNDERSTAND ???



HWE uses WATER PRESSURE that pushes dirt down ( COMMON SENSE ) but uses at least 5 times the amount of water. Takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if customer is lucky ) and has a TM and Van loaded with equipment worth $50,000 $$$$ outside blasting away, burning petroleum more $$$, and disturbing the neighbors. The dirt in the dirty water left behind after carpet dries settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder from prespray and detergent.



LESS water MORE agitation !!!


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"The weight of the machine pushes the detergent with the dirt inside down and when it dries ( 1-2 hours ) it crystallizes. What don't you understand ???"

-I'm glad you're confessing your sins of pushing the dirt deeper in the carpet when you buff it

"Residential - A detergent is sprayed on carpet loosing dirt. CRB scrubs carpet breaking soil away from the carpet fibers into the detergent. When carpet dries the dirt is encapsulated in the detergent then crystallizes. UNDERSTAND ???"

-Yes I understand. I understand that the whole "all the dirt crystallizes for the customer to vacuum later" is a scam almost as bad as a pyramid scheme. Just remove the dirt. Don't come up with an excuse for not being able to remove it with a bonnet.


"HWE uses WATER PRESSURE that pushes dirt down ( COMMON SENSE ) but uses at least 5 times the amount of water. Takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if customer is lucky ) and has a TM and Van loaded with equipment worth $50,000 $$$$ outside blasting away, burning petroleum more $$$, and disturbing the neighbors. The dirt in the dirty water left behind after carpet dries settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder from prespray and detergent."

-Now I see why you're attacking HWE. You were never trained the right way and you probably used an inferior wand that had terrible jet spray pattern that shot right down in the carpet vertically, not diagonally, which prevents the dirt from being pushed deeper. When sprayed diagonally, it improves the proper flushing so it can be extracted (not buffed deeper) properly. I'm thinking your wand didn't have a glide so the wand locked on the carpet, causing less extraction and leaving more water and soil behind and your body was wearing out from it, therefore causing you to switch completely to buffing carpet since your POS truckmount was wearing out and you couldn't afford a decent machine.

Look at the picture if pictures help with the diagonal jets . Sorry, I couldn't find a video showing how the water is extracted. You seem to be one of those guys that needs picture and video to comprehend

 

[Brian H]

View: https://youtu.be/yZnCYtuZtoY?si=5z6v1lQX9OFceMus

I have had happen so many times!! It really is true!

 

[Mikey P]

Those of us who've been online with cleanfax, ICS, the blue board and here since 2001 essentially have seen this exact same situation play out, who knows how many times.

Hot water extraction is a complex process that involves a lot of curiosity and experimentation and adaptation to each and every situation, unfortunately most carpet cleaners aren't capable of that and do it the same way their dad or their retailer or trainer taught them and inevitably start losing customers due to overwetting or residues or worse.

Low moisture becomes appealing as they avoid all those challenges, but in many cases they're delivering a substandard result primarily in residential but even commercial where a good flushing is needed.

Fortunately most customers don't recognize what clean really looks like and as long as the pork chop is gone they're content, and if the cleaner has the minty fresh breath, shows up on time most will just settle rather than go through the painful search for a properly equipped multi method, multi-surface cleaner which we all know are unicorns in their community, and sometimes just don't exist at all.


I hope our (loud) friend sticks with us because eventually he's going to come full circle and buy another truck mount.

 

[Mikey P]

I have had happen so many times!! It really is true!

I think my wife secretly misses argumentive 1.0 at times...

Her incredible memory would usually lead to moral victory.


Now I only complain in text, where she can't immediately fire back with "but you did this- isms"...

 

[Cleanworks]

The GROUP THINK was working hard yesterday



Well of course it pushes it down. That's COMMON SENSE !!!

The weight of the machine pushes the detergent with the dirt inside down and when it dries ( 1-2 hours ) it crystallizes. What don't you understand ???

Residential - A detergent is sprayed on carpet loosing dirt. CRB scrubs carpet breaking soil away from the carpet fibers into the detergent. When carpet dries the dirt is encapsulated in the detergent then crystallizes. UNDERSTAND ???



HWE uses WATER PRESSURE that pushes dirt down ( COMMON SENSE ) but uses at least 5 times the amount of water. Takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if customer is lucky ) and has a TM and Van loaded with equipment worth $50,000 $$$$ outside blasting away, burning petroleum more $$$, and disturbing the neighbors. The dirt in the dirty water left behind after carpet dries settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder from prespray and detergent.



LESS water MORE agitation !!!


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WRONG! By your way of thinking, at the end of a carpets usable life, if it's been regularly cleaned with hwe, there should be mounds of dirt underneath the carpet when it is removed. I've done restoration for years and not once have observed excess soil under or in a carpets backing. Proper cleaning and maintenance involved vacuuming dry soil out, both from the end user and the cleaner. Presprays and agitation dissolve and emulsify other soils and keep them in suspension and are rinsed out of the carpet. Thorough extraction with the right equipment and techniques remove these soils. When you say the water left behind is the same as the water in your waste tank, that is utterly wrong. If you've ever used a machine like a Rotovac or RX20 with a clear tube, you can see the dirty water change to clean. HWE removes more soil than VLM and if you use top quality products, the residue dries to a powder. All methods have their pros and cons. One is not necessarily better than another. It's one thing to have a professional discussion. What's not acceptable is to be insulting others methods and techniques. You are welcome to share the good results you are getting. You are not welcome to preach to others as to how their methods are old fashioned and don't work as well as yours. Do you get that?

 

[SteamwayPro]

We must agree to disagree. 9 pages is enough and NO opinions have changed


LESS water MORE agitation !!!

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Did you think it would, really? You're new here then.

 

[Living The Dream]

We must agree to disagree. 9 pages is enough and NO opinions have changed


LESS water MORE agitation !!!

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Nine pages and no opinions changed, sounds about right.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Keep leaning on the VLM only train and eventually you'll find out that the opinions that change will be your customers. I'll let you figure out which direction.

 

[they live]

Nine pages and no opinions changed, sounds about right.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Keep leaning on the VLM only train and eventually you'll find out that the opinions that change will be your customers. I'll let you figure out which direction.

People like to be sold. He's a salesman.
Reminds me of my CD days.
Running this butler is really so much easier than lugging all that stuff in job after job. More impressive too.

 

[KevinL]

I understand you guys don't like VLM for Residential but change happens. My customers like it and that's what matters to me

On my website at the top where everybody can see it, it says ...

The VLM/SETT Method is not recommended for Heavily Soiled Trashed Carpet. Heavily soiled Trashed Carpet needs to be Steam Cleaned

And it says I don't clean Restaurants or Diners. They need to be Steam Cleaned

I don't get a lot of calls for Heavily soiled carpet and I don't want to work in that kind of filth anymore anyway. I recommend they get them Steam Cleaned but most of the time they ask if I can just do the best job I can and that's what happens.

VacAway Commercial Magic, Double Trouble, Formula 357, are outstanding encaps with 9.5-12.0 ph and adding boosters like Detonator (Peroxide) or Odor Death x2 (clo2) makes them even better. Steve Smith found the secret to cleaning cheap polyester carpet usually found in rentals. Nothing out cleans VacAway when it comes to Polyester. NOTHING !!!
Thank You VacAway !!!

Yes I agree it's best to have VLM and HWE. I had that for 7 years. And yes it does feel good seeing that steam come from the sides of your wand and that big machine blasting away outside but I had that for 25 years and now I like and prefer a simpler quieter method called VLM. I like seeing the dirty cotton bonnets in my washing machine and all that dirty water


That's Beautiful !!!



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Whose bonnets are you using and what are they called??

 

[SteamwayPro]

Whose bonnets are you using and what are they called??

I use Cotton Bonnets 95% of the time on Residential. I only use Microfiber on very clean Residential Nylon

I have a lot of Bonnets. The Bonnets sold before 2020 were a lot better than what they sell today. They were better and much cheaper

I use Challenger Cotton Bonnets, Bonnet Pro Cotton Bonnets, SuperZorb Cotton Bonnets, TOPS Gladiator Cotton Bonnets, on Residential. What one I use depends on what OP I'm using, how soiled carpet is, and what type of carpet. They all have their place

I use the Dark Blue Microfiber on Commercial.

 

[SteamwayPro]

Interesting discussion going on here. I'll start by saying that HWE is still the most efficient way to flush the highest level of contaminants from the carpet in a single shot. And that can be helpful in the case of a pigged out neglected carpet. However, to think that HWE alone can remove everything from the carpet is not realistic.

When we apply pre-spray we're adding a strong detergent, because we need the firepower to break up and emulsify soil. Now we have 2 components to rinse (1) pre-spray and (2) carpet grunge. We'll call that combination the "HWE target load".

So can HWE work to eliminate all of the "HWE target load"? No, it simply can't.

To illustrate: Consider taking 1 gallon of red paint / representing the "HWE target load". Now let's dilute the gallon of bright red paint 5 to 1 with 5 gallons of hot water. What do you have? It's still bright red! Dilute it with 10 more gallons of water. Still bright red. Add 25 more gallons of water. What do you have? Still red. It would take hundreds of gallons of water to get the water to a level that you can't see a trace of red.

That illustration describes the HWE process. The "HWE target load" is reduced (somewhat). But through the process of dilution and extraction, there will always be some remnant of the "HWE target load" left in the carpet. Anyone can easily recognize this fact. Even when an extremely effective HWE cleaning is performed, there would still be some "HWE target load" (i.e. red paint) left behind.

With encapsulation the soil can continue to be recovered after the initial cleaning / providing that you have an encap product that dries to a brittle crystal polymer that can be extracted through routine post vacuuming.

To be 100% honest, no cleaning method is completely perfect. So to say that any method achieves 100% soil removal is ridiculous. Our place as cleaning professionals is to reduce the "HWE target load" to the highest level that's reasonably acceptable. To imply that a method delivers total sanitizing, when we're dealing with carpet fiber, is simply not realistic.

This video about encapsulation pre-spray explains how adding an encapsulation component to our pre-spray can further reduce the "HWE target load".

View: https://youtu.be/Oq3vm3azg4s


Can I add 4 oz of Odorcide Fresh Scent to Hydrox or Encap Punch and clean with. In one of your videos you say 1/2 or 1 oz can be added



I'm using Hydrox a lot lately at my Apt Complex, on Residential Carpet, on Furniture, and Area Rugs and getting excellent results

That Area Rug was trashed. Customer wanted to see if it could be saved. Yes it was saved with Hydrox using the VLM Method and dry in 1-2 Hours