2 wet passes

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After hanging with all the lovely folks at Mikey's Fest this past weekend I came back with a renewed spirit and a bunch of great ideas I could immediately start applying to my new cleaning business. Marketing, organization, soft skills, and much more.

This one may seem mundane to some, overkill to others maybe, but holy cow what a difference. Beforehand I would only give extra wet passes to trouble areas when cleaning carpets, a single wet pass was my standard. On yesterday's job I tried applying 2 wet passes to an entire room as my standard method and then more in the trouble spots. Wow did I extract more soil. It was a really clean looking bedroom relatively speaking, and yet I pulled out some of the nastiest mud water I've seen yet. And for fun I only used Carpet Details as my prespray. Technique seems atleast as important as my chemistry...
 

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Speaking of wet passes...

I watched a bit of Mark's new HS video.


Tom's $1400+ HS wand leaves way more water on the floor than the World's Greatest $420 HS wand. :eekk:

At the RMH we were playing around with it on some LVP at 1000 PSI and it was leaving the floor 99% dry with one pass.


It's also much lower to the ground and gets all the way to the edge under cabinets unlike Toms, and there is no blow out through the side brushes due to perfect jet placement.


Had this wand been out from the beginning, I would have never bothered with making brush glides and Tom would have never made that $1400 wand. Fact.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKGaXH0qFpI



 

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I shoot for 1:2 wet passes to dry passes. So overall each area I gave 2 wet passes got 3 or 4 dry passes. And I run air movers for at least 10 or 15 minutes in each space. It dried pretty quickly.
 

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After hanging with all the lovely folks at Mikey's Fest this past weekend I came back with a renewed spirit and a bunch of great ideas I could immediately start applying to my new cleaning business. Marketing, organization, soft skills, and much more.

This one may seem mundane to some, overkill to others maybe, but holy cow what a difference. Beforehand I would only give extra wet passes to trouble areas when cleaning carpets, a single wet pass was my standard. On yesterday's job I tried applying 2 wet passes to an entire room as my standard method and then more in the trouble spots. Wow did I extract more soil. It was a really clean looking bedroom relatively speaking, and yet I pulled out some of the nastiest mud water I've seen yet. And for fun I only used Carpet Details as my prespray. Technique seems atleast as important as my chemistry...
Good job, fans help.

Not sure if a acid rinses with some dry agents helps or not.
 
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this is where having high end customers is great. They clean their carpet annually, are not affected by current economic conditions and know a lot of people like themselves that they refer to. Cleaning clean carpet only takes one cleaning pass.

not that I never run across dirty carpet but when I do, I run a few passes over it prior to the cleaning process (especially at startup when you need to run water through the line to get to the *hot* water) You would be surprised at how much soil can be removed with just a rinse. Gets the carpet wet prior to cleaning so you have a jump start on dwell time.
 
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When it comes to dry passes, which should in reality called additional cleaning passes, what do you think is more effective, two fast or one slow....?
My wife and I debate this all the time. I still think that a fast dry stroke may have some benefit because it flicks the moisture off the fibers. I tend to do a lot of dry strokes fast and slow though. I also post bonnet.
 
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When it comes to dry passes, which should in reality called additional cleaning passes, what do you think is more effective, two fast or one slow....?
1 wet,1 dry, overlap, repeat. Do I remember it right?
Stinky S is telling customers that carpet will dry between the 8 to 24 hours, we know that is a lie, some customers reporting longer times after being serviced by SS. We want to be heroes and trying to get the carpet dry in less than four hours. Why is that? It's time for reality check. Doing more work for less money, means just that, less money in our pockets. Let's compete, who can get the carpet dry faster !?
 

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2 wet passes is a minimum. First one quicker than second. 2 dry passes fairly quick.
Any more dry passes you might as well make them wet passes to clean more. I often use 4 or 5 wet passes to flush heavily soiled areas and blend areas more heavily presprayed.
 
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My wife and I debate this all the time. I still think that a fast dry stroke may have some benefit because it flicks the moisture off the fibers. I tend to do a lot of dry strokes fast and slow though. I also post bonnet.
Hack, I do three...
Fascinating discussion. The passes and speed depend on the cleaning objective, as well as the pressure and flow rate? This will determine speed of wand and number of dry strokes. If you want to know cleaning (wet) passes, it's the same thing but includes achieving "effective" soil suspension. If not achieved, additional passes may be applicable to muscle additional soil separation, by leveraging the heat, pressure and flow of the TM system. If you run a 6 jet wand with 015 orifices at 400 plus, you're up in the 2+ GPM. Higher moisture, expect more dry passes.

Are you rinsing or flushing? Because they are not the same. Under general soiling conditions 85/15 based on an application rate of 200 sqft per gallon of preconditioner, it only takes a flow rate of just under a half gallon to rinse and neutralize with 2 passes @ a rate of 1 second per sqft. Higher pressure and flow you could technically move faster, however most slow down because they are relying on the TM system where the extraction phase completes the "soil suspension" phase. This is key to understand when it comes to cleaning "piled" textile floor coverings. Soils aren't really "suspended". Prepared yes, suspended no. The water dissolution of the soil laden cleaning solution does the actual suspension while simultaneous extraction occurs.

Regarding the 2 wet passes and 2 dry passes. Understand and know where it comes from, lab testing. A protocol written circa This is a foundational rule and can be achieved with generally cleaning like following the 2 wet passes and 2 dry passes. So, some environments may require more wet passes and more dry passes. Don't follow the conventional more is better unless it's applicable.

This is why some clean with 150-250 psi with flow rates under 1 gpm to avoid wicking and wick back. I'll get into how moisture really works when it comes to increasing volume or flow. Bill Bane knew! Work smarter, not harder. You're not cleaning the "effective pile" (as in flushing it) you are "wet" cleaning the wear surface.

Even I don't have a strict rules on wand strokes. If I'm near a wall or a less soiled area, it's faster and if it's in the traffic lane slower and even a "truck mount stroke". I use portables when I extract and I don't worry about water consumption. I hold the trigger down and stroke the heck out of it, followed up by dry passes I think necessary for me not having to return for a complaint and follow up cleaning.

I believe 2 passes should be the minimum as well as the additional 2 dry passes as far as a general rule or guideline. Particularly if a portable extractor with heat, where the heat needs to be sustained.

We can't compare all carpet cleaning because carpet is often abused. The 2 wet pass and 2 dry passes under "normal" soiling conditions is applicable but in a restaurant setting where the traffic lanes are black from wall to wall, then 2/2 rule shouldn't even be considered.

The original testing protocol is in the S100 2002 edition. Was supposed to be inclusive of all methods, however during development it was changed to primarily focus on Water Rinse Extraction (WRE). Why? The test method was later adopted by the Carpet and Rug Institute for their SOA "Extractor" and "Deep Cleaning system" testing. Very interesting, makes you think doesn't it?
 
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