BradFenstermaker
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I run a TNT and would like to get. PMF 703 with 16 inch head 1.5 tube.
Will my 45 handle it with a glide?? 95% of jobs are 150ft runs
Will my 45 handle it with a glide?? 95% of jobs are 150ft runs
45 blower handle 1.5 tube 16 in wand??
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Russ T.
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Going to 2" to my wand was one of the simplest and most effective changes I have made this year. Better dry times and superior cleaning. I went from a really standard 1.5" tube wand with a 12"head (used this for a long time) to a 2" tube with a 14" head (Westpak) wand with Greenglide. I would think if you really do go to a 16" head, you would want it to be a 2" tube. I got used to the extra bulk of a 2" hose pretty quick.
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BradFenstermaker
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Thanks Russ, I have used TI wand in the past for several yrs. My back and lazy Arse went back to my PMF 802 12 inch 1.5 wand.
Have a lot of stuff the 16 would speed up production. The most I would do is run 2 inch to the 1.5 tube, but cant find a good reducer.
Have a lot of stuff the 16 would speed up production. The most I would do is run 2 inch to the 1.5 tube, but cant find a good reducer.
Drop the 1.5 and go 2" just get a reducer and make an adapter incase ya need to use any 1.5 tooling. You will!
Yes your 45 will handle that wand. Is your pump going to keep up with the increased flow rate?
I would think that you could dual w a 45 if necessary : )
One thing you'll want to watch is your chem flow if ya switch back and forth from a scratch to a high flow wand. Your meter may read different so watch it.
Chris in Tn
Yes your 45 will handle that wand. Is your pump going to keep up with the increased flow rate?
I would think that you could dual w a 45 if necessary : )
One thing you'll want to watch is your chem flow if ya switch back and forth from a scratch to a high flow wand. Your meter may read different so watch it.
Chris in Tn
Larry Cobb
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Brad;
If your #45 blower is delivering 16" of lift . . .
then it will handle a 14" wand.
Ideally, you could go to a 1.75" CMP 14" , or 2" x 14" Bentley wand design . . .
for better flow characteristics and shorter dry times.
We have Glides available for both to lessen back strain.
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index...earch_in_description=1&keyword=CNHP5+or+MY1BR
Larry
If your #45 blower is delivering 16" of lift . . .
then it will handle a 14" wand.
Ideally, you could go to a 1.75" CMP 14" , or 2" x 14" Bentley wand design . . .
for better flow characteristics and shorter dry times.
We have Glides available for both to lessen back strain.
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index...earch_in_description=1&keyword=CNHP5+or+MY1BR
Larry
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Mikey P
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I have the CMP Larry is suggesting. Nice wand.
MUCH nicer than the POS Bentley.
MUCH nicer than the POS Bentley.
Desk Jockey
Member
I know Ruff Hewn likes it and we usually agree on a lot of things but I can't see it. 
That's a dork wand, best for some limp wristed lispy speaking Neebrasscan.
Looks like too much potential for heat loss. It doesn't make sense to want a hot TM then waste the heat with an old skool designed wand???? Sure its light weight but is weight really an issue. Shouldn't the head remain sealed to the carpet?
Whuts up with the awkward manifold too?
That's a dork wand, best for some limp wristed lispy speaking Neebrasscan. Looks like too much potential for heat loss. It doesn't make sense to want a hot TM then waste the heat with an old skool designed wand???? Sure its light weight but is weight really an issue. Shouldn't the head remain sealed to the carpet?
Whuts up with the awkward manifold too?
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Russ T.
Supportive Member
That CMP looks A LOT like my Westpak. I really like my wand. 14" doesn't seem like much on paper but in the field, it makes a HUGE difference. Get a Devastator in line filter too if you don't already have one. The combo of going to my 2" tubed wand with hybrid Greenglide, and Devastator in line filter have really reduced dry time while increasing cleaning performance. I clean a fair amount of apartments right now and it affords me the ability to skip a dry stroke in many cases. I spend a lot more time on resi because that's where the $ is but the changes I made last year have helped me be more efficient. Looks like a pretty good price on that CMP Larry has.
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Dolly Llama
Number 5
the Benttree wand??
(I named it that when i first saw the brass spaghetti tree manifold mine came with)
anyway, it's good cleaning LOW pressure wand ..anything above 300-350psi and it's a jet streaking, splash/spraying alloverthedamnplace wand ...and that's WITH the "new improved" replacement manifold too
I sold mine
I think it's Lee that like it
If I didn't have a Ti wand, I'd go back to the cheap 'ole AW29 and do just like I did before the Ti
2" hose to wand, one set up with 06 jetting and the other set up w/04...and adjust psi as needed (275-400psi max)
and live happily ever after....
heat's not a problem, I run fuel fired , not those warm wawdder Butt'lerz
..L.T.A.
Desk Jockey
Member
Gotcha. So now it's just encrap we differ on.the Benttree wand??
(I named it that when i first saw the brass spaghetti tree manifold mine came with)
anyway, it's good cleaning LOW pressure wand ..anything above 300-350psi and it's a jet streaking, splash/spraying alloverthedamnplace wand ...and that's WITH the "new improved" replacement manifold too
I sold mine
I think it's Lee that like it
If I didn't have a Ti wand, I'd go back to the cheap 'ole AW29 and do just like I did before the Ti
2" hose to wand, one set up with 06 jetting and the other set up w/04...and adjust psi as needed (275-400psi max)
and live happily ever after....
heat's not a problem, I run fuel fired , not those warm wawdder Butt'lerz
..L.T.A.
My main van is down right now so I have been cleaning with my back up boxxer for the last two days. Usually I run a Ti wand but this truck has an AW-29 in it and I didn't feel like switching it around. I have to say its not a bad wand at all for residential cleaning, without a glide. I wouldn't want to do much comm with it cuz its so damn small but its very nimble and maneuverable with a short 4' whip, unlike the Ti wand with 2" all the way.
Dolly Llama
Number 5
Gotcha. So now it's just encrap we differ on.
Nah..thanks to Big Ballin' peers like you, I'm able to lower my standards and still "feel good about myself" spreading light soil around in a pixie dust slurry
it rock$....
..L.T.A.
Desk Jockey
Member
Thanks.....I think???Nah..thanks to Big Ballin' peers like you, I'm able to lower my standards and still "feel good about myself" spreading light soil around in a pixie dust slurry
it rock$....
..L.T.A.
Jim Martin
Supportive Member
you will be happy with a westpac......
P.S......glad to see you made it out of Mexico........
renegade_cowboy
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I know Ruff Hewn likes it and we usually agree on a lot of things but I can't see it.
Looks like too much potential for heat loss. It doesn't make sense to want a hot TM then waste the heat with an old skool designed wand???? Sure its light weight but is weight really an issue. Shouldn't the head remain sealed to the carpet?
Whuts up with the awkward manifold too?
How much heat loss do you think is going to happen with that gap.. 1-2 degrees? I agree the jet manifold is a BAD design and so is the swivel, I already had to have mytee replace my head and manifold after 6 months of use. But damn there is nothing like a swivel wand.. and yes when you are swinging the wand all day the weight does matter. I get killer dry times with the bentley.
Desk Jockey
Member
Never tested but just guessing 25-30 degrees in a drop like that?
Dolly Llama
Number 5
WAY more than you'd ever guess, Brent
most never get anything close to 150 degrees to hit the fiber
There's a HUGE drop in temps from jet to fiber.
40-60 degrees in a couple inches ..fo-reel
(the hotter you start with, the more dramatic the temp drop)
get a digital meat thermometer and see for yourself
you'll be shocked ...just as I was
..L.T.A.
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Desk Jockey
Member
Most likely its your TM but I'm sure the wand helps some.
renegade_cowboy
Member
Wow, learn something new all the time.. I had no idea it water can lose that much heat being exposed to the environment for a fraction of a second.
Desk Jockey
Member
That's why a lot of the wands keep the jets closer to the carpet. Although too close will cause corn rows that can be hard if not impossible to remove. 
Its a balance but why waste all your heat if you don't need to?
Its a balance but why waste all your heat if you don't need to?
Dolly Llama
Number 5
tHe stream being atomized is what causes the dramatic drop.
the drop wouldn't be near as much if a solid stream.
there's also a lot of other variables too...jet flow size, temp ATW (240 ATW will have a more dramatic temp drop than 120 ATW)
digi thermometers are cheap ..$5-6(?) bukz at Harbor Freight
Cheap enough that everyone could find out what "their" wand/TM combo is putting on the fiber
..L.T.A.
SamIam
Member
Use a 1 1/2 in hose cuff put it on the wand and the 2inch hose cuff right over the cuff.
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BradFenstermaker
Member
Well appreciate the replies.
I know the benefits of 2 in but want to keep 1.5 wand.
Remember a thread with talk of good reducer cuff for tile tool. Can't find it.
No one runs a 16 inch wand??
Maybe westpac and cmp have 14 with 1.5 tube
I know the benefits of 2 in but want to keep 1.5 wand.
Remember a thread with talk of good reducer cuff for tile tool. Can't find it.
No one runs a 16 inch wand??
Maybe westpac and cmp have 14 with 1.5 tube
SamIam
Member
I don't use a meat thermometer but if my machine is running 240 and my temp ATW is 190 the 1 inch it travels to the carpet should be 10 to 15 degrees loss.
I know when I was diesel fired I could split seams, and my machine now will melt wax easy. I wouldn't touch the carpet after flooding the carpet with my wand!
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I know when I was diesel fired I could split seams, and my machine now will melt wax easy. I wouldn't touch the carpet after flooding the carpet with my wand!
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I run 2 TNT's both with little giants (and 1 back up 360k btu diesel heater).
Both have the Dev 4 to the door design, 1 is the large stainless Dev, the other is JB's stainless.
1 run JB's Chinacrap wand (which I am dead tired of fixing, do not buy), and the other the Rotovac 360i w/ 2 inch hose from filters to wands.
My buddy dual wands w/ his AT using 2 bentleys, but after all these comments about the bentleys (which I was considering for the weight and swivel), I'm leaning towards the Zipper to replace JB's POS Chinese wand.
Both have the Dev 4 to the door design, 1 is the large stainless Dev, the other is JB's stainless.
1 run JB's Chinacrap wand (which I am dead tired of fixing, do not buy), and the other the Rotovac 360i w/ 2 inch hose from filters to wands.
My buddy dual wands w/ his AT using 2 bentleys, but after all these comments about the bentleys (which I was considering for the weight and swivel), I'm leaning towards the Zipper to replace JB's POS Chinese wand.
Larry Cobb
Member
I agree that temp loss will be less than 40 to 60 mentioned above.
With high flow, there will be less cooling from the airstream.
Another photo of the Bentley with 4 jets positioned to hit 3/8" from the head for quick drying:
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We can put the jets where the customer wants them . . .
unlike other wands.
Larry
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Dolly Llama
Number 5
for under ten bukz you mookes can find out for yourself instead of GUESSING
lay it on the carpet and key the wand for a minute
if you're at 240 ATW, ( about 260 ATM) your spray ATF will be 180 or so
this ain't rocket science, Kids ..it's kindie-garden stuff
..L.T.A.
lay it on the carpet and key the wand for a minute
if you're at 240 ATW, ( about 260 ATM) your spray ATF will be 180 or so
this ain't rocket science, Kids ..it's kindie-garden stuff
..L.T.A.
