Are dye kits worth messing with?

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Good job Chris, now you can see why the kids box of Crayola colors are mostly way too vibrant and bright for carpet.
You now have a smidgen of red that needs another tiny dab of green and another spot with too much green - see if by rubbing the green with a clean, dry white cotton cloth you can tone down the green.

There is a lot of gray in that carpet so now I'd like you to take a light ( steel ) gray crayon and again very gently add a very small amount of grey to see how that affects both of those areas.
 

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I've heard a story about a couple of guys visiting a mill when a run had a blemish - 2 ladies that worked there grabbed the dye sticks, corrected it and one of the visitors ran over to see what they used. Both were iicrc inspectors.....
 

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To translate into dying lingo.
The carpet is beige/brownish (contains all three primary colors- red yellow & blue).
Red stain- By adding yellow and blue it will make it brown. Green is the combination of the two primary colors yellow and blue.) So, by using green (a secondary color) you save time and not have to apply two colors. Though unless one has plenty of sahdes of green it will be harder to get close to color.

Grays will tone it down and help blend.

Very interesting to see the difference in application between traditional dyes and crayons.

Be interesting to see which method actually takes longer and if there's a difference in how the dye repair ages and how long it lasts.

Tony,

  1. With the crayons, I assume you still need to neutralize bleach?
  2. Also with the crayons you have the advantage of white (which I don't think you have with dyes)?
 
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I've heard a story about a couple of guys visiting a mill when a run had a blemish - 2 ladies that worked there grabbed the dye sticks, corrected it and one of the visitors ran over to see what they used. Both were iicrc inspectors.....

True story Willy - James Lee Senter and I were touring a Patcraft Mill and saw this "color adjustment" procedure using oil pastel "dye sticks.
 

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Very nice repair Tony.


  1. How long did it take?
  2. Was it with crayons? Or was adding the lost dye to entire area enough to restore it?
  3. If crayons, do they allow you to do smaller tufts than traditional dying?
  4. Do they "leak" (spread) less to the adjoining color?
 
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Very nice repair Tony.


  1. How long did it take?
  2. Was it with crayons? Or was adding the lost dye to entire area enough to restore it?
  3. If crayons, do they allow you to do smaller tufts than traditional dying?
  4. Do they "leak" (spread) less to the adjoining color?

Took a couple of hours as I recall.
Used various oil pastels and heat set when done.
Yes, you can do very small 1-2 tufts at a time - think individual pixels on a TV screen and how they can affect the overall "look"'
The multi-colored pattern is very forgiving - get the correct mix of colors and it will "look" dead right.
No leakage due to using solid dye products + plus a white dye stick provides a huge advantage not available when using liquid dye products.

No need to neutralize the bleach as bleach has no effect on oil-based stains.
 
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Beautiful repair.
Did you have the chance to go back to see how these repairs fared through the years?

Did you notice any difference in how long they last between traditional dye repair and crayons?
Any difference in performance, once exposed to direct regular light (ultraviolet)?
 

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and what did you ask them about the color adjustment what was their response? :eekk:

I asked them if the repaired carpet was going to be sold a first goods or second - answer - first goods!
Also asked if they "set" the color and only got a deer in the headlights response.
 

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Beautiful repair.
Did you have the chance to go back to see how these repairs fared through the years?

Did you notice any difference in how long they last between traditional dye repair and crayons?
Any difference in performance, once exposed to direct regular light (ultraviolet)?

Ofer, you sure know your stuff and asking all the right questions.
Customer was thrilled - did work for them for years in their other buildings.
The colorant used in these products will fade in direct sunlight.
Also on Olefin and Poly will not last more than a year or two esp when regularly vacuumed with agressive vacuum brushes like a Dyson.
 
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And another question Tony:

When using crayons, do you find it to work mostly like traditional dying which is building the color in increments, or more like a pigment (covering over)?
 

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And another question Tony:

When using crayons, do you find it to work mostly like traditional dying which is building the in increments, or more like a pigment (covering over)?

Both, the more waxy products are great for hiding stains like an old furniture stain on say a silk rug.
The more chalky products are more subtle and are best for incrementally building the color to acquire the exact end result very rapidly.
Both have the enormous advantage of being quickly and easily removed when needed but only prior to heat setting.

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Yes, Dye Kits are worth messing with.

Hi C. Lee,

Everyone is gonna have their own opinion on whether dyeing is easy or hard for them depending on how well they do at it. The best thing to do is try for yourself to see if you get it. Get proper training and practice on carpet samples in your garage before going to a job.

With whatever dyes ( or crayons) you use, If you're dealing with bleach you MUST USE BLEACH NEUTRALIZER! I dont work with crayons on discolorations, nor do I recommend other people do, but yes Tony does get some great results. Will the crayon hold up a year later after you clean with your truckmount?? I personally don't know but I know the dye pens will hold up.

The dye pens have the same permanent dye in them as the bulk dyes. You just have to find the right color combination. I recently fixed a spot with just dye pens and had to use a combination of Lt Tan, Lt. Gray and Ultra Lt Taupe. The guys I know who get the best results (with the pens) have the 20 pen set so they have a lot of colors to choose from. They are also familiar with the different colors in the set so they know which colors to apply. This comes from experience and practice. You dont need formal training with the dye pens.

The guys I know who make the most money spot dyeing have received training and own some kind of professional kit with either liquid or powder dye. This is the most cost effective way to buy dye.

You can make a lot of money spot dyeing if you know what you’re doing. If you're interested in coming to an Americolor Class check out the schedule here. Cheers! http://americolordyes.com/education-classes/
 
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Melody & Tony:

What permanent success do you have with your different "systems" on polypropylene, etc; & other synthetic fibers ?

Ta.

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Melody makes a good point about how hard or how easy it is to dye. I tried spot dyeing and still do one on rare occasion. I find it hard and slow to get the right color. My wife seems to have the artistic eye. She gets the right color very quickly and thinks spot dyeing is easy and loves the work.

We both use Americolor's powdered dyes. They work well on nylon. Have used them only a few times on wool. They also did great on that job. I don't think they can be used on other fibers.
 

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Thank you Scott and Melody !


Here i the information I was passed, Hope it is okay to share

Taken from the following:
Production Manual
The Society of Cleaning Technicians
706 N Main Street
PO Box 3688
Greenville, SC 29808

Crayola – The $1.97 Color Spotting Tool

Prepared from material presented by Mr. Murray Cremer. Cremer’s Rug & Upholstery Cleaner, Long Beach, CA., Joint ASDS, Int. / Calf. CARPET CLEANERS Technical Seminar, Santa Monica, CA., September 1974

The Crayola Technique for spotting carpets is convenient and portable means of restoring the color to small spots sometimes encountered when cleaning carpets and upholstery. The techniques suggested here are available for both professional and home use.

The term “small spots”, means, as examples, those spots which typically would result from dripping chlorine bleach on a deep blue plush, a small animal urinating on a light beige high-low, or residual shoe polish on a white shag. The Crayola technique is not intended for large scale color repairs.

The tools required would include the following: The giant size box of Crayola. A spray bottle of chlorinated solvent, such as l.l.l. trichloroethylene. Also required is a functional household type steam iron, several pieces of heave Kraft paper, a bone scraper, and a supply of wiping towels, (white of course).

Personally, the operator should have a reasonable understanding of basic color composition. Illustrated in figure 1 and how colors can mix to produce other colors. With Crayola the colorist is working with a wax which contains pigments or dyes. Some colors will be a combination of pigments and dyes. Others will be pigments or dyes. Most likely white and black will be on ly pigment and wax. The white crayon is likely to contain titanium dioxide as the pigment Carbon black is likely to be the pigment in the black crayon. The wax used in Crayola has a very low melt point.

The basic idea is to wet out the spot with solvent, and to keep the spot wet as long as necessary to make the desired color match. The solvent ?ubilizes the color containing wax. When dissolved, the color can be spread as desired.

Of course, test the particular solvent to be used before commencing. Will the solvent damage the backing adhesive, carpet, yarn, or adjacent color? In any event, spray only that amount of solvent sufficient to keep the working area damp. Do not spray in excess which will only drain downward into the backing adhesive. Some proprietary solvents will contain a diluent. The presence of a diluent retards evaporation and provides longer working time. ? the colorist will not have to spray as often.

A light spray frequently is better than a heavy occasional spray.

How is it done? Simple! Just spray on the solvent and start coloring. Start with a shade lighter than that ultimately desired. Work up to the darker shade gradually. Combine colors as necessary to yield the desired shade.

REMEMBER: It is easier to add color than to remove color!

It is just like mixing paint. For instance: Starting with a yellow or gold spot in an otherwise green shag, the operator should start a blue crayon and not he green crayon, Blue and yellow makes green. The color composition chart at Figure 1, can be a general guide for mixing crayons to produce a particular color or shade.

Need a deeper tone? Spray more solvent to maintain a dampness in the nap. Apply a different color in the range desired.
Need a lighter shade? Try the white or a pastel crayon.

When the color dries, if the spot is too shiny cover the spot with Kraft paper and rub with the steam iron. For this purpose, the steam iron should be used dry and set at the lowest temperature setting.

Should the color be washed away from the surface by some subsequent event, try this: Use a steam iron. Use the iron wet. Hold the iron about 2” away from the spot and spray spot lightly with steam. As the steam evaporates, the softened color should migrate back to the tips of the fibers.

The 65 color box of Crayola costs only $1.97. Use the crayons straight, or blend one, two, or three colors at will. Color spots for revenue, to make a friend, or to show the customer how. Small spots should not be permitted to detract from the overall beauty of any carpeted floor or piece of upholstered furniture. The $1.97 box of Crayola should be standard equipment for every professional carpet and upholstery cleaner.

Alex J Twist: 10/74 – updated: 11/74

[1] CRAYOLA is a trademark of Binney & Smith, Inc., New York 10017


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Everything old will be new again!

Taking Murray Cremer's class was a turning point for me (1982), as they advertised: "What a Difference a Day Makes!"

Would love to have him back for a day.
 
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For those who are interested in learning how to properly dye carpets and rugs we offer the most advanced color trainings available. We utilize our own custom color app called the ColorCue® which we developed ourselves. The ColorCue® permits you to take a photograph of the bleached area of carpet and automatically calculates exactly which colors need to be added in the exact percentages to bring the area back to a perfect color match. We also offer our own dye kits which consists of 4 colors: red, yellow, blue, and black. These are the only colors that are needed to match every color that exists. We use liquid dyes, not powdered dyes, so there are no residues left behind. The carpet can be steam cleaned literally 3 seconds after dyes have been applied. There will be no color loss whatsoever. Here's a short video that illustrates this:

Join us in one of our upcoming color classes. We have a class coming up in Virginia this month (March 2016). We also have classes in Texas (June), Florida (September) and Michigan (September).

Call me for details at: (240) 753-5395. I will be happy to speak with you and answer any questions you may have.

Cheers :)
 

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