Axminster

[GeneMiller]

I have some to clean at a country club in the dining room. I'm not a big fan of wool period but especially a dining room. I found this interesting from their site.

Rinse and Extract
The next step is rinsing the suspended soil out of the carpet, through extraction. Keep in mind that the best extractors only extract about 80 to 85% of the original solution put into the carpet. If it is left to dry, those detergents will cause re-soiling to occur. The chemical for this step should be an acidic or neutralizing rinse. While many people try water, it is not effective in removing the residues and soils from the pre-spray. Rinsing with hard water will only remove about 15% of the residue, and rinsing with soft water will only remove 30%. But rinsing with an acidic or neutralizing rinse will remove over 90% of the residue.

Full article if you want to read.
http://crossleyax.com/Downloads/Maintenance_Info_Crossley_Axminster_100227.pdf

Multiple times they print in big bold letters

DO NOT USE ROTARY SHAMPOO OR SPIN BONNET ABSORBENT PAD ON WOOL OR WOOL/BLEND CARPETS – EVER.

Gene

 

[Desk Jockey]

Zipper with PSI turned down???

 

[Harry Myers]

On this material check the construction sometimes can be poly. If it is jute take caution in shrinkage mostly into the length . Seams splitting . Check to see if it was powerstretched onto the tackless. Or possibly could be glued down to the cushion being a double stick. Give caution of what can happen.

 

[GeneMiller]

The installer always power stretches everything he installs. I don't know if it's glued this will be the first time and I haven't seen it yet. Not to worried about jute but would rather have poly backing. The zipper handles wool and jute beautifully. Just not in favor of wool in a commercial setting that serves food. Restaurants and wool just don't match in my book. I love me some oxidizers.

Gene

 

[Harry Myers]

Gene I know you are a very good cleaner. I also install most of the stuff I clean. You do not need an acid or nuetral cleaner. Use a pH up to 9 most machine loomed material can handle a higher ph. . Use an enzyme rinse well. You should be fine. I do it all the time wool is about all I clean and sisal.

 

[GeneMiller]

The cleaner i use for wool is 9 actually. Works wonders. Really the post was more about what the manufacture stated about rinsing. Found the numbers interesting.

Gene

 

[hogjowl]

I was able to quickly determine what your intent was with this thread.

I must be smarter than those other idiots.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

A group of theaters I've cleaned started with wool and sewn seams, jute back.

Cleaned great, much better wear than the nylon that came later.

The Aussies and Kiwis LAUGH at our fear of wool.

 

[Harry Myers]

it's not the wool it's the construction of it weather being jute cotton materials that shrink

 

[Lee Stockwell]

The jute backing on high end wool carpets usually had about twice the strands as the cheaper jute mesh used on nylon carpets of that era (pre 1965 or so).

Thus as Harry noted it was this "special" jute backing with nearly twice the "shrinking power" that gave cleaners pause, especially when seams were in later years not sewn, but joined with crappy 1st generation seaming tape.

I've seen this jute backing pull 4 to 6 inches off a wall, dragging tack strip right out of the floor. A lot of it was ruined, although it could be re-wetted and power stretched back into shape with much difficulty.

 

[GeneMiller]

I gave an estimate today. She was shocked at the price. More than 3 times what they have been paying. The main room is 2637 sq ft and the card room is 3456. Their numbers not mine. Unfortunately I believe I sold the service. They want it this Monday at 10 pm. Thanks but no thanks. Next Monday I can start at 7. They move all the chairs completely out and we move the tables. Ok we have a deal.

Gene

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I have some to clean at a country club in the dining room. I'm not a big fan of wool period but especially a dining room. I found this interesting from their site.

Rinse and Extract
The next step is rinsing the suspended soil out of the carpet, through extraction. Keep in mind that the best extractors only extract about 80 to 85% of the original solution put into the carpet. If it is left to dry, those detergents will cause re-soiling to occur. The chemical for this step should be an acidic or neutralizing rinse. While many people try water, it is not effective in removing the residues and soils from the pre-spray. Rinsing with hard water will only remove about 15% of the residue, and rinsing with soft water will only remove 30%. But rinsing with an acidic or neutralizing rinse will remove over 90% of the residue.

Full article if you want to read.
http://crossleyax.com/Downloads/Maintenance_Info_Crossley_Axminster_100227.pdf

Multiple times they print in big bold letters

DO NOT USE ROTARY SHAMPOO OR SPIN BONNET ABSORBENT PAD ON WOOL OR WOOL/BLEND CARPETS – EVER.

Gene

Those numbers come from a laundry detergents used with wool garments. It's several decades old but still somewhat interesting because rinsing with hot water extraction is not nearly as thorough as it is in a laundry setting, so you could expect the residue issues to be even worse after on location cleaning.

It's a shame, though, how many things are misquoted or misapplied in our industry, like "TACT" , the Arrhenius Rule on heat, etc.

But we are such a young industry we still need to adopt some distant cousins of facts when we don't yet really have many our own.

 

[KevinL]

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[Buck1955]

I did a test clean for a high end hotel with axminster, cimex and crayons did the best.