Can ya'll educate me on emulsifying?

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I have a powdered emulsifier sitting on my shelf in my building that I've had for probably 4 years. I never used it because I didn't know when to use it. It tells me to mix entire little jug into 5 gallon container and set meter at 2-4.

Under what conditions do I need to make this decision to use it?

Do I need to prespray like normal when I use it through my rinse?

And can I use this as a prespray?
 

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Not designed to be a prespray, although some (like Prochem Dry Slurry) make a decent prespray. I use an emulsifier only on nasty rentals and restaurants. It seems to make a difference in the final outcome.

Normal residential and commercial I'll use an acid rinse. Don't ask me why, it just makes me feel better when I please Pemberton.
 

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Anything beyond moderate soiling can benefit from using an emulsifier. Precondition as normal rinse with the emulsifier. If you're worried about using it cut down on the gph or mix it half strength.

Unfortunately the results are better than just water or an acid rinse. The CON's, could leave stiff fibers, possible residue.

Its a balance, use it when the situation dictates the need.
 

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I use some type of emulsifier on every job. Only Southerners or Idiots use acid rinses, unless correcting specific problems. An emulsifying rinse completes the job. When used correctly it does not leave stiff fibres or overly alkaline carpet. If you are not doing this, you are only doing half a job in my opinion.
 

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I use some type of emulsifier on every job. Only Southerners or Idiots use acid rinses, unless correcting specific problems. An emulsifying rinse completes the job. When used correctly it does not leave stiff fibres or overly alkaline carpet. If you are not doing this, you are only doing half a job in my opinion.

When considering the choice of either rinsing with plain water, or being able to boost the cleaning level of your rinse solution as needed, why wouldn't you?

Once you rinse your pre-spray off, your down to attacking any residual oils/soils with nothing but water.

Why not follow your pre-spray up with something as ineffective as plain water?

I always notice a difference when slicking up my rinse with a shot of Dry Slurry.

I find the difference is most noticeable in the cleaning effectiveness of successive wand passes.

Adds a very light fresh scent also.

Likely more of a benefit when running a porty as opposed to a TM, as we can use all the little advantages we can, and the plain water rinse on a TM has a big benefit of being hot enough to be effective enough on it's own.

At the least, every porty hack should be using it.
 

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Restaurant.


Only.
Or Walmart.
I'm doing my 7week restaurant today. I'll let you know how it turns out. I wish someone told me this about emulsifying when I did that terrible video recording at walmart.

I think our chemical makers that rip us off on chems need to simplify the word "emulsifier" . And from what I've read in our wonderful Wikipedia about emulsifiers, I feel it should be renamed to "Rinse Detergent". And have a quick description under the title as "Rinse for neglected carpets".
If there was a product labeled like that, I would've jumped on the bus for emulsifying a long time ago
 

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I agree I use a emulsifier at about half strength or less. Use an acid rinse from time to time to clean out my lines.
 
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The voice of "Truth"

The rest of you mongrels are only pushing juice.
 

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I soft water rinse only, and have for the last 6-7 years or so.. Works great! If it's nasty dirty I'll adjust the prespray and agitate the hell out of it..

I do miss the smell of Prochems Dry Slurry though!
 

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When you're rinsing with an Apex or an Everest or the equivalent, you don't always need a rinse. Adding a mild rinse will clean even better. I am a little bit like Jimmy. I make my TM rinse a little weaker but it still has more cleaning power than plain water or an acid rinse. When using a portable, you would never contemplate rinsing with plain water or acid. Complete waste of time and poor results.
 

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I agree, though why rinse with a detergent with a truck mount? Crappy prespray? I clean my share of nasty carpets, and I have never said to myself this might have turned out better if I used a detergent rinse..

If you scrub your prespray in, I see no advantage of a rinse.. THE CLEANING AGENT IS ALREADY IN THE CARPET.. I'll rinse it like like I do my clothes, soft water..
 

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I agree, though why rinse with a detergent with a truck mount? Crappy prespray? I clean my share of nasty carpets, and I have never said to myself this might have turned out better if I used a detergent rinse..

If you scrub your prespray in, I see no advantage of a rinse.. THE CLEANING AGENT IS ALREADY IN THE CARPET.. I'll rinse it like like I do my clothes, soft water..
The main reason is when doing heavily soiled carpets, if it doesn't come out the first time, you usually have to respray that area and rinse again. If you have a mild rinse metered through the truck, it can make all the difference. I am on a Procyon kick right now but I used to use Prochem Ultrapac and rinse with Dry slurry. Dynamite 1-2 punch. Make sure to measure you chems right and don't leave residue in carpet. Do it right and it comes out beautiful. Screw it up and you have a foamy mess, Chavez knows all about that.
 

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We are all set in our ways.. I cleaned frat houses all day today..

When I did use dry slurry I used it a half the dilution rate.
 

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I emulsified on my restaurant job yesterday. It's nothing to brag about. I've had the best results with acid rinse on that job
 

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Emulsify - To cause one liquid to be suspended in a second liquid that it otherwise would not mix with. In cleaning, to cause liquefied oils to be broken into small enough droplets that they can be mixed with and suspended in cleaning solution until extracted.

@Matt Wood I don't think we have chemical manufacturers to blame for bringing this word into our industry. I would look for the source about 120 miles southeast of Marty's home in Prattville.
 

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Emulsify - To cause one liquid to be suspended in a second liquid that it otherwise would not mix with. In cleaning, to cause liquefied oils to be broken into small enough droplets that they can be mixed with and suspended in cleaning solution until extracted.

@Matt Wood I don't think we have chemical manufacturers to blame for bringing this word into our industry. I would look for the source about 120 miles southeast of Marty's home in Prattville.
What happened south of Marty?
 

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I know good cleaners that only use an acid rinse, and good ones that only use alkaline detergents, and more than a few that do both.

Some thoughts from my experience:

1. The idea of running an acid rinse through machines came about when nylon was king, and stain resistant nylon was being installed in colors that were pastel to white. Acid rinsing minimized yellowing issues, and left that type of nylon bright. Nylon (sadly) is no longer king, and the "polys" are oil loving fibers that benefit from a kick of alkaline detergent from time to time.

2. Customers are more concerned about residues in their carpet than in times past. That concern started about the same time as the "stain resist revolution", so cleaners found that leaving a carpet softer with an acid rinse gave the perception (if not always the reality) that there was less chemical in the carpet. In many cases they just substituted residue, but the acid rinse residue left a softer hand.

3. Cleaners that clean upholstery with their truck mount found that it was easier to just run "one thing" through their machine for carpet and upholstery fibers, especially when they encountered natural fibers. For those cleaners, acid rinsing of carpet simplified things.

These and other reasons are some of the reasons that acid rinses became, and remain popular.
 

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@Matt Wood I don't think we have chemical manufacturers to blame for bringing this word into our industry. I would look for the source about 120 miles southeast of Marty's home in Prattville.

The issue of bringing technical terms into the every day parlance of the cleaning industry even predates the Esteemed Mr B.

Back in the mid 70's my father sent a few of our employees to a class taught by the late (and brilliant) Glen Twist. Mr Twist trained many of the trainers who are retiring now.

Unfortunately one of our techs, "Charley" decided he could impress customers with technical terms that sounded great, but he did not begin to understand.

He remembered learning about how "fatty acids" exist in the food that we eat, and that they might be found in residues on the surfaces in homes. He also remembered that he should compliment the customer when possible, and that he should connect somehow whatever he said about them to the task at hand.

Well, Charley walked into the first job after the class, and said loudly:

"Wow Mrs XXXXX, you must be a good cook! I can smell the fatty acids everywhere all over your house"

She threw him and his helper out of the house and called our office yelling:

"The idiot you sent there said I must be a good cook because he can smell my fat a** everywhere in the house!"

Needless to say, my father had to deprogram Charley a bit....

Thank goodness he didn't try to say "deflocculate"!

That term sounds absolutely immoral....
 

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