competitor to the IICRC

[Greg Cole]

Since we are branding a new organization, I am proposing starting BRO and BCO . "Better Restoration Organizations" AND 'Better Cleaning Organizations". Obviously this should be fairly easy. The IICRC has allowed instructors to write their own traning manuals. Obviously these manuals are their copyrighted materials and they can be taught on behalf of ANY organization.

Is anyone here up to the task of putting this together?

To be clear: I have no desire to personally run this as I know that my type of company doesn't agree with many on here.

I believe that this is something that our industry desperately needs in light of recent events. The IICRC has been held back for decades but was starting to make headway. CRUST (Thanks to Lisa Wagner for the acronym) is setting us back ANOTHER 20 years!

Anyone have somebody in mind to undertake this?

 

[Hoody]

I think simply any instructor that really cares about a paycheck will follow in Lisa and Jim's foot steps setting the standard higher for better hands on education. The industry has been screaming more hands on for the last decade, those who will actually listen will be the ones to take classes from.

 

[Marc Imbesi]

I've decided to just continue to take the classes I lack experience in and forgo the certifications. They've only been a piece of paper, in the past, and I view the new pieces of paper, issued by The Clean Trust, to be KoRnY (<<<<<< sorry, Jimmy).

 

[Bob Foster]

So Cole do you want to run it like you do a carpet cleaning company - big on advertising and promises and ???? on delivering them?

Good grief - stick to your fliers and coupons. The last thing we need is someone with your view of professionalism associated with a trade organization.

 

[Guest]

Maybe we do not need a new group. Maybe we need to reexamine an older group that Ed York started at least 30 years ago. The ICR (International Certification Registry will be having a training and certification program this February in the Washington DC area. It will be for Rug Cleaners and will have a cert program for non-submersion washers as well as a BCS cert Biological Contamination Specialist for removing urine, feces, blo0d and bodily waste from rugs. It will incorporate the Federal protocols for Bloodborne Pathogens. I will be teaching the Rug ID program.
They have nice patches and costs less than The Clean Trust. ICR is very open to addressing the needs of both rugs and carpet professionals and is a good opportunity for any current or former iicrc instructors.
Best wishes,
Barry O’Connell
http://SpongoBongo.com

 

[The Great Oz]

It's fun to bash the IICRC as a big uncaring group of goofs, but remember that without that group of goofs we'd all be cleaning with the cold water and fairie dust that GreenSeal is pushing. Time to give the new guys a chance to fix the things we don't like.

The ones that are more important than the name.

 

[rhyde]

Shouldn't they be addressing those more important things instead of a name change unless it the lipstick on a pig trick !

 

[Hoody]

Shouldn't they be addressing those more important things instead of a name change unless it the lipstick on a pig trick !

That is my main concern, also. Seems it makes more sense improving, and fixing issues and providing those to the public first. Once they have a better product, then re-brand.

 

[Greg Cole]

So Cole do you want to run it like you do a carpet cleaning company - big on advertising and promises and ???? on delivering them?

Good grief - stick to your fliers and coupons. The last thing we need is someone with your view of professionalism associated with a trade organization.

Actually- NO I don't want to run it at all! There are people much smarter and more qualified than I that could do that. What I am saying is that they have made a huge mistake and if they don't see the error of their way and correct this BEFORE it is too late- they will lose HUGE market share.....

 

[John Olson]

There is more at play here then meets the eye. Remember this post. There is deliberate subterfuge afoot. Not sure what our response will be but after I speak to a few more people I'll make a statement since I don't care who I piss off the truth is the truth and if it burns a bridge so be it life is to f'n short.

 

[LisaWagnerCRS]

IICRC just had a DRAMATIC changing of the guard on the Board. The morons who allowed this name change to happen are out, as are a few of those who needed to be booted out as well.

I'm curious to see how they tackle this name change outrage, and we will know soon enough if it's a new style of leadership (that actually listens to its registrants) or if it's more of the same old crap.

My "conspiracy theory" is this... that this was an idea from Edelman (the PR firm who needs the retainer), and the management company (the ones who need their million-plus retainer), and convinced the couple EC members who don't know the first thing about how to grow a business to pass this.

The PR firm gets to be busy with press releases and setting up interviews (all billable tasks) and for designing that lame logo, and doing the "research" .... the management company gets to make changes to the websites, issue notices to the registrants, and gets to handle the volume of calls of complainers (all billable tasks). The new leadership gets SWAMPED with bad press and comments that keeps them distracted, which makes them even more in "need" of their management and their PR firm. And while the "industry" is upset, the PR firm and management team remind the leaders how hard they are working, and that they are doing a great job (which makes them want to keep their only cheerleaders around)...

And the evil cycle continues....

I might be wrong in this case. Certainly since I know a number of the new board members, and they aren't needy or dense like their predecessors.

I hope after they repeal this name fiasco, that they succeed in getting rid of Edelman and then management... then TRUST might end up becoming a name actually used when referring to IICRC.

It might happen....
Lisa

P.S. Greg, the last thing this industry needs is ANOTHER certification body. But how funny that you call out for one, but then say you have no desire to help build it or run it... that seems to be the mantra of a lot of the OUTRAGE protestors too - "make it better NOW... but don't ask me to help". LOL. The day I build a new certification organization to run is the day I hope someone shoots me.

 

[Mikey P]

maybe Greg and Ken Snow can not run this new organization together.


As long at the certification test can be asked in photographs instead of text it would be a hit at their Friday morning raw raw meetings

 

[Shorty]

Maybe the Aussies are a decade ahead of the rest of the world in this area.

We have a Certificate 111 in Asset Maintenance for our industry.

Have a read over in the link.

http://www.danielsassociates.com.au/car ... aning.html

Is anyone progressing in the U.S. to get our industry recognized as a trade by the guv-urn-mint.??

Shorty.

 

[randy]

Shouldn't they be addressing those more important things instead of a name change unless it the lipstick on a pig trick !

Bad analogy. More like walking into a sewage back up job with two feet of feces, spraying odorcide and expecting everything to be OK.

So this new board, they all voted for this ?
Hard to believe, I would like to "pole the jury" and see who actually voted to change the name. Then I could email them each privately and say, " I didn't know you were that stupid".

Anyone that renews their certifications with this worthless, unknown organization THAT IS EVEN MORE UNKNOWN NOW is a total fool. Time to put this whacked out organization out of it's misery and end the embarrassment it has become to our industry. Anyone that renews in light of this should be banned from Mikey's board for being too ignorant to contribute anything meaningful.

To everyone that says give the new board a chance: There is faith and then there is sheer stupidity.

 

[Bob Foster]

The new board did not vote for this.

 

[Mikey P]

Jeeze Randy

Go smoke some weed and eat a Ho Ho.



Who gives a shit really.

IICRC, Clean Trust or call it Hotnudeslutswhodigdorksthatspendtoolongprevacuuming.certification, it will never mean squat to my or your businesses.

 

[randy]

Jeeze Randy

Go smoke some weed and eat a Ho Ho.



Who gives a shit really.

IICRC, Clean Trust or call it Hotnudeslutswhodigdorksthatspendtoolongprevacuuming.certification, it will never mean squat to my or your businesses.

I agree it's a total waste and mostly inconsequential to the cleaner on the street, But where exactly do you think the whole SOA came from ? Right out of Ruth Travis's trade association, promoted with IICRC resources (that the cleaner pays for) while she was president. So yep, I dream about the total destruction of the IICRC and this will help bring it about. You wait and see they are going to lose 50% of their certified firms and even more registrants. Some of the folks living of the IICRC might have to go get a real job. Honestly I hope the whole dam thing crumbles to pieces.

 

[Greg Cole]

IICRC just had a DRAMATIC changing of the guard on the Board. The morons who allowed this name change to happen are out, as are a few of those who needed to be booted out as well.

I'm curious to see how they tackle this name change outrage, and we will know soon enough if it's a new style of leadership (that actually listens to its registrants) or if it's more of the same old crap.

My "conspiracy theory" is this... that this was an idea from Edelman (the PR firm who needs the retainer), and the management company (the ones who need their million-plus retainer), and convinced the couple EC members who don't know the first thing about how to grow a business to pass this.

The PR firm gets to be busy with press releases and setting up interviews (all billable tasks) and for designing that lame logo, and doing the "research" .... the management company gets to make changes to the websites, issue notices to the registrants, and gets to handle the volume of calls of complainers (all billable tasks). The new leadership gets SWAMPED with bad press and comments that keeps them distracted, which makes them even more in "need" of their management and their PR firm. And while the "industry" is upset, the PR firm and management team remind the leaders how hard they are working, and that they are doing a great job (which makes them want to keep their only cheerleaders around)...

And the evil cycle continues....

I might be wrong in this case. Certainly since I know a number of the new board members, and they aren't needy or dense like their predecessors.

I hope after they repeal this name fiasco, that they succeed in getting rid of Edelman and then management... then TRUST might end up becoming a name actually used when referring to IICRC.

It might happen....
Lisa

P.S. Greg, the last thing this industry needs is ANOTHER certification body. But how funny that you call out for one, but then say you have no desire to help build it or run it... that seems to be the mantra of a lot of the OUTRAGE protestors too - "make it better NOW... but don't ask me to help". LOL. The day I build a new certification organization to run is the day I hope someone shoots me.

Lisa,

I am smart enough to recognize that there is WAY TOO MUCH DISLIKE for coupon carpet cleaners for me to even consider running one. My involvement would result in very few O&O's getting involved. However, the instructors and educators like yourself have the credibility to make this happen

 

[rhyde]

Who gives a shit really.

IICRC, Clean Trust or call it Hotnudeslutswhodigdorksthatspendtoolongprevacuuming.certification, it will never mean squat to my or your businesses.

And that's the clarity of the issue right there! Reading the post most of the issue revolves around the name change not policy its an irrelevant association.

-Most consumer don't know it, I've meet cleaners that have never heard of it and many of the ones that have don't respect it!

 

[Greg Cole]

Who gives a shit really.

IICRC, Clean Trust or call it Hotnudeslutswhodigdorksthatspendtoolongprevacuuming.certification, it will never mean squat to my or your businesses.

And that's the clarity of the issue right there! Reading the post most of the issue revolves around the name change not policy its an irrelevant association.

-Most consumer don't know it, I've meet cleaners that have never heard of it and many of the ones that have don't respect it!

BUT MOST ADJUSTERS DO!