Do we really need peroxide in our cleaning?

[Hack Attack]

My results over here with any USR including bad dog are opposite. It's nothing more than vol40. And since I've been using more acid rinse (3-4 on the chem meter), I'm getting more of a brightening image.

Peroxide is used to brighten cotton laundry, not plastic synthetic carpet.


There's another point that I want to bring up. It's a question that I've asked some of the soap salesmen that was never answered.

"Does the peroxide weaken or cancel out when mixed with a high alkaline rinse while being used to
"boost" it?

Remember the ph lesson in the class? The same lesson that teaches us how to neutralize urine salts back into a liquid? Is it the same idea as to mixing an acid based peroxide into an alkaline prespray?

Does it neutralize the prespray closer to 7 due to it's acidity in the peroxide? I've NEVER had that question answered.


Is it the peroxide that does the brightening, or is it the acid rinse?

just as high heat decomposes peroxide faster so does high pH

same as how you can use ammonia (high pH) to accelerate h2o2

 

[DAT]

My results over here with any USR including bad dog are opposite. It's nothing more than vol40. And since I've been using more acid rinse (3-4 on the chem meter), I'm getting more of a brightening image.

Peroxide is used to brighten cotton laundry, not plastic synthetic carpet.


There's another point that I want to bring up. It's a question that I've asked some of the soap salesmen that was never answered.

"Does the peroxide weaken or cancel out when mixed with a high alkaline rinse while being used to
"boost" it?

Remember the ph lesson in the class? The same lesson that teaches us how to neutralize urine salts back into a liquid? Is it the same idea as to mixing an acid based peroxide into an alkaline prespray?

Does it neutralize the prespray closer to 7 due to it's acidity in the peroxide? I've NEVER had that question answered.


Is it the peroxide that does the brightening, or is it the acid rinse?

I never considered adding peroxide into my prespray.. ever. Is that what people been doing? I just use powder stuff like harvard booster etc which is high pH to begin with.

If its a swamp butt-nut-sack dragging dog smell carpet, i will prespray un duh zit only in hydroforce, and agitate then wait 30 min. Then i spray normal prespray with all fiber rinse. Seems to do the trick. Easy 150 upsell and client was pretty happy. I think using liquid peroxide instead un duh zit would be cheaper and just as effective...maybe.

 

[Nomad74]

I never considered adding Salad with my Dinner.. ever.

 

[DAT]

I dont anymore when i realized that i am not a rabbit. Ill have another ribeye steak.

 

[Tom Forsythe]

This is a good discussion, a few points to consider. The primary odor from urine is from alkaline salts like ammonia. Ammonia is a pH of 12. If you reduce the alkalinity from pH 12 to under pH 9 the odor goes away. Hydrogen peroxide's main function is to modify molecules making organic stains (including urine) invisible. Today probably half of the carpets that you clean are polyester, which do not benefit from the stain reducing ability of hydrogen peroxide. Ten years ago half of the carpet was nylon which does stain and gets great benefit from the use of hydrogen peroxide (within reason). The linked article combined Scott Warrington's and my perspective (our last main collaborative effort before Scott's retirement) discussing the impact of this change from nylon to polyester (includes olefin anf triexta) carpet. https://blog.aramsco.com/the-brave-new-world-of-carpet-cleaning

 

[hogjowl]

^ interesting
As opposed to the rest of you idiots

 

[The Great Oz]

Peroxide was a board fad. Unfortunately it's been added to a lot of formerly good products that are now problematic to use on nylon and wool. Hopefully manufacturers will figure out that the fad is over and they can stop adding oxy to everything they make.