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[Living The Dream]

I'm doing a nice restaurant in town and it's been at least 5 years since they've professionally cleaned. Most of the time with CGD I've HWE'd, then Encapped after it's dry to touch up. I've read some threads where people have had good success encapping with a bonnet first, then HWE'ing. Has anyone tried this? I can see where it would help loosen dirt and grease and help with extraction, but will it help fight wicking?

 

[Jimmy L]

Old method of a shampoo and rinse they used to do.

Better chemistry with your regular prespray and using your bonnet to scrub..............then extract.

Encapsulation is a term............often over blown

 

[Old Coastie]

I'm doing a nice restaurant in town and it's been at least 5 years since they've professionally cleaned. Most of the time with CGD I've HWE'd, then Encapped after it's dry to touch up. I've read some threads where people have had good success encapping with a bonnet first, then HWE'ing. Has anyone tried this? I can see where it would help loosen dirt and grease and help with extraction, but will it help fight wicking?

Yes

 

[Cleanworks]

I'm doing a nice restaurant in town and it's been at least 5 years since they've professionally cleaned. Most of the time with CGD I've HWE'd, then Encapped after it's dry to touch up. I've read some threads where people have had good success encapping with a bonnet first, then HWE'ing. Has anyone tried this? I can see where it would help loosen dirt and grease and help with extraction, but will it help fight wicking?

Not necessarily encapping but using a scrubber with pad for agitation with your prespray, then hwe. Mikey's famous for his red pad scrubbing.

 

[Sierra Clean Care]

I’m doing a casino tomorrow night, I’ll put my chems down with a Cimex, then rinse with a wand.
I often find that after the first 20 minutes of working, the TM gets so hot the dema valve in my Hydroforce stops working properly, and I get uneven coverage....
This way, it’s even coverage with the chems, a solid scrub with the Cimex, and a hot rinse with the wand...
Faster, better quality work....
Thanks Chavez....

 

[Hack Attack]

I love me some pre scrubbing, but if you're extracting your encap I think its a big ask to expect it to stop wicking

post encap and bonnet then yes it will help stop wicking

 

[Living The Dream]

I love me some pre scrubbing, but if you're extracting your encap I think its a big ask to expect it to stop wicking

post encap and bonnet then yes it will help stop wicking

But if encap does what it's supposed to wouldn't it encapsulate the dirt and help HWE?

 

[Hack Attack]

But if encap does what it's supposed to wouldn't it encapsulate the dirt and help HWE?

"maybe" HWE is heavy lifting especially with a pad scrub. If you're lifting the soil you are also lifting the encap

red or blue pad breaks a lot of soil/grease loose that makes for easy rinsing

 

[randy]

If it hasn't been cleaned in five years forget encapsulation and HWE it. A few days latter go back and encap any reoccurring spots. You can try an encapRINSE but I haven't been overly impressed with them. Chemmeisters Rinse Master is a great rinse agent to remove loads of build up.

 

[Dolly Llama]

restaurant ....not cleaned in 5 years...
dayum....


don't know how well encRap cuts grease .
But if roto scrubbing with aggressive VCT type pad, should be fine .
There will be "some" residual polymer gunk left after extract (same with any pre-spray, as we never get 100% out in reality)
It "might" help to lessen fast/premature re-soiling


wicking is mostly due to poor wand technique
Get that right, and the need for gunk is diminished greatly


..L.T.A.

 

[Cleanworks]

But if encap does what it's supposed to wouldn't it encapsulate the dirt and help HWE?

No because it takes time to dry and crystalize. Going over with hwe will rinse it out negating any encap effect.

 

[encapman]

Encap should not be rinsed out of the carpet. If you're doing straight encap (shampoo method) or if you're doing pad-capping (bonnet with encap) - then you should leave it at that. The encap process is a complete method.

If you want to pre-scrub with an encap product and then perform HWE that's fine. But keep in mind, you'll be rinsing away the encap. On the other hand, you could work with an encap HWE product like Encap-Punch and have your cake and eat it too. It's an encap pre-spray and encap rinse detergent for HWE all wrapped together in one product.

But if a restaurant carpet hasn't been cleaned in 5 years you're probably looking at a pretty messed up carpet. So you may likely need to throw the kitchen sink at it on this cleaning. Pre-scrubbing followed by a thorough HWE rinse may be required. And then after you get the carpet brought back together you'd be in a better position to maintain it with a good encap program. It can be done. I used to clean a bunch of Sweet Tomatoes on a monthly basis with encap alone and they stayed excellent looking.

 

[Living The Dream]

We started the restaurant today. We presprayed with Prochem Ultrapac Extreme, scrubbed with a red pad and extracted with the 360xl. I will encap it tomorrow with a bonnet. We tested a spot with encap first, then HWE and it cleaned up nice, but it would have taken a ton of bonnets. I'll get the same result with post encap, using less bonnets and I won't be rinsing the encapsulation away. Thanks for everyone's input!