Encap Juice Advice

[Nampa Carpet Cleaning]

Whittaker Crystal Dry is one of the best but right now I am using Jon Don encap and it works great for what little encap I do. I think Scotts tuff makes it from what i've heard
$94 per case

http://www.jondon.com/matrix-double-strength-encapsulant-plus.html

 

[hogjowl]

Crystal Dry is wonderful, but it'll kill your lungs. So does most other products.

 

[dekeil]

Procyon exterme is very good
And you will not cough
Yes it is an ecapulation product read label

Have great day

 

[Mikey P]

Imo a plastic lung coating polymer needs to be in the product for it to be worthy of the hyped Encap term

 

[WillS]

post the After of this area..

I don't like the way they vacuumed some of the offices at the end. Usually I don't leave the triangles but since it's commercial it'll be walked on soon enough.

This entire place actually has Berber carpet in every room.

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[WillS]

I wonder if someone would explain what the dry compound is doing that the encap can't do itself?

Correct on the HOST absorbing moisture, and other dirt/soils. IT also has an encap type product in the HOST that helps brighten the carpet. This is why we let it sit in til the end of cleaning all rooms before vacuuming. I'll take a picture later on of all the crap we get up. Host will turn from the bright orange to almost black on commercial carpet.

Another thing I'm a believer in, after a customer previously cleans their home with a rug doctor or a hack HWE cleaner comes in and leaves a ton of residue, HOST will help in removing this. On top of the enap helping prevent staining wicking and dirt appearing quickly, HOST is doing the same thing. Sometimes you can HOST a room at the same time you put encap down. At other times, you need to agitate the encap in first along with traffic lane boosters then put down HOST after. This can make the difference in getting 3 rooms done in 45 minutes or 3 rooms done in 1 hour and 15 mins.

The hydroforce sprayers are great. We've actually had one of those for 5 years and still works. Spray is even enough and just strong enough to where it isn't soaking the carpet. Easy to pump, etc. Only issue is you need to oil up the pump part or it'll sound like shit squeaking in a customers home.

 

[WillS]

For example, this is one we would HOST after agitation of prespray. Gotta make sure you don't miss any spots or discoloration before HOST. HOST seems to cover up small spots and stains you might miss if its bad. If you scroll down our insta page, you can see some of the clumps of crap HOST pulls out. https://www.instagram.com/naturaldry/

 

[hogjowl]

Did you take her money and leave it like that?

 

[WillS]

Exactly. Told her she needs to vacuum up the clumps and we only take cash. The receipt I left her also only says, "We Clean Carpet" at the top with no phone number.

 

[WillS]

https://www.yelp.com/biz/desert-carpet-cleaning-las-vegas?utm_source=ishare

 

[J Scott W]

I hope you give Encapuclean or Encapuclean O2 or Encapuclean with Maxim a try when you are at Interlink Supply.

But the DS2 is also a good product. If you were not happy with the previous results, I suspect that the issue may be more with the process than the chemical used.

You can provide arrange a demo at Interlink Supply, clean some of their carpet and maybe get a little guidance.

 

[D Luke]

I hope you give Encapuclean or Encapuclean O2 or Encapuclean with Maxim a try when you are at Interlink Supply.

But the DS2 is also a good product. If you were not happy with the previous results, I suspect that the issue may be more with the process than the chemical used.

You can provide arrange a demo at Interlink Supply, clean some of their carpet and maybe get a little guidance.

Do you sacrifice any cleaning power by going with the Encapuclean DS w/ Maxim?

Does an ounce or two of ammonia per rtu gallon get the Scott W. seal of approval?

 

[Cleanworks]

Exactly. Told her she needs to vacuum up the clumps and we only take cash. The receipt I left her also only says, "We Clean Carpet" at the top with no phone number.

Alabama style

 

[Old Coastie]

Hey, now!

 

[J Scott W]

Do you sacrifice any cleaning power by going with the Encapuclean DS w/ Maxim?

Does an ounce or two of ammonia per rtu gallon get the Scott W. seal of approval?

No cleaning power lost by using the Encapuclean with Maxim. THe level of Maxim protection is about 20% of what you would get if you were spraying on protector. This is not intended to be the same as full application of protector but rather to maintiain the level of protection by repalcing what might be worn away after 3 or 4 months of use (varies with traffic level). This would be excellent for commercial accounts that get done every 2 to 6 months. Apply protector by spray application at the first cleaning. Then maintain protector with use of Encapuclean with Maxim.

Ammonia is a good booster for some encap products. However, many polymers are sensitive to pH. They may not form as quickly or form properly when the pH is altered significantly. So, Encapuclean Green DS starts with a pH of 7.8. It can take 1 or 2 ounces (no more) of ammonia in each diluted gallon and not be adversely affected. On the other hand Encapuclean O2 starts at a pH of 5.5. Almost any ammonia would be enough to upset the pH. You might be able to use 1/2 ounce per gallon and not see any effect. But with more ammonia, the polymer woudl dry a bit tacky and tend to resoil to fast.

For other encap products, I would suggest checking with the manufacturer before adding other ingredients.

 

[D Luke]

No cleaning power lost by using the Encapuclean with Maxim. THe level of Maxim protection is about 20% of what you would get if you were spraying on protector. This is not intended to be the same as full application of protector but rather to maintiain the level of protection by repalcing what might be worn away after 3 or 4 months of use (varies with traffic level). This would be excellent for commercial accounts that get done every 2 to 6 months. Apply protector by spray application at the first cleaning. Then maintain protector with use of Encapuclean with Maxim.

Ammonia is a good booster for some encap products. However, many polymers are sensitive to pH. They may not form as quickly or form properly when the pH is altered significantly. So, Encapuclean Green DS starts with a pH of 7.8. It can take 1 or 2 ounces (no more) of ammonia in each diluted gallon and not be adversely affected. On the other hand Encapuclean O2 starts at a pH of 5.5. Almost any ammonia would be enough to upset the pH. You might be able to use 1/2 ounce per gallon and not see any effect. But with more ammonia, the polymer woudl dry a bit tacky and tend to resoil to fast.

For other encap products, I would suggest checking with the manufacturer before adding other ingredients.

Thanks for the info. Tell your bosses I'm picking up Encapuclean with Maxim because of your presence here on MB.

Just to clarify, a touch of ammonia is still OK in the version with Maxim, correct?

 

[cleanking]

Already placed an order for Encap o2 because of this thread, excited to try it out.

 

[Jimmy L]

Used to use the O2 but stopped because of complaints about odor.

 

[Cleanworks]

If you think you get complaints about the odor of O2, wait until you start using ammonia.

 

[Jimmy L]

I use half a cup in my 5 gallon sprayer and there is not much odor from the ammonia.
But I have a case of that O2 sitting on my shelf that I won't use because of the smell. I can add a deo but afraid it will screw up the formulation.

 

[Mikey P]

I can add a deo but afraid it will screw up the formulation.

What formulation, that one that leaves a plastic polymer behind that for the last 17 years you've been telling us does not exist?


You lemming , you..

Ricky G has finally won the war.

 

[Old Coastie]

I do know the DS2 we use has done a marvelous job of keeping hallways and lobbies looking good.

Encapuclean DS is a very good product too. However, I can get Releasit delivered to my door for the retail on the other, so that helps.

There are plenty of times when surface encapping isn't enough, so extraction is necessary too. So what, as long as you aren't married to one method only.

 

[J Scott W]

Thanks for the info. Tell your bosses I'm picking up Encapuclean with Maxim because of your presence here on MB.

Just to clarify, a touch of ammonia is still OK in the version with Maxim, correct?

Yes, a touch. About an ounce per RTU gallon.

Thanks.

 

[PrimaDonna]

@John K from Bonnet Pro this might be a good thread for you to jump in on.....

 

[Jimmy L]

I SAID ALL THE ENCAP SHAMPOOS DO IS LEAVE A NON SOIL ATTRACTING ...............RESIDUE!

THAT'S IT! RESIDUE! RESIDUE! RESIDUE!

DOESN'T ENCAPSULATE SHIT!

 

[encapman]

Hi Derek,

Scott Warrington gave some good advice above. If you're seeing wicking while using Encap-Clean DS2, "the issue may be more with the process than the chemical used".

When you're working with a good quality encap detergent that can truly dry to a crystal, it has the potential to capture and hold soil, and minimize the chance for wicking. If you are seeing a wicking problem more than likely you're dispensing too much solution through your Cimex.

Encapping With a Cimex:
1. Make a fairly fast wet-pass with your Cimex. Hold the valve wide open and walk at a brisk pace.
2. Then make a fairly slow dry-pass. You can tap the trigger lightly every couple of steps to keep the pads damp on your dry-pass.
Note: Always avoid applying too much solution.

Making a quick wet-pass, and a slow dry-pass does the trick. You should be able to clean with a limited amount of moisture. If you feel like you need to increase your amount of solution that your applying (fight the urge). More is NOT better.

If you have a particularly problematic carpet, shoot for limiting your moisture and getting the carpet to dry fast. You could mix the detergent 50% stronger than normal. The stronger mixture will allow you to achieve the results you want using even less moisture. And apply air movers to speed up the drying.

Another trick for wicking problem carpets is to use a hydrogen peroxide based encap detergent. We have Encap-HydrOx, Interlink has Encapuclean O2. The hydrogen peroxide and acid base will help to get browning, and wicking under control.

And if you're struggling with recurring spill stains, you can use this trick that I've been sharing with people for years. It works! Here's a copy & paste...

How To Eliminate a Recurring Spill Stain:

1. First: Scrub the spot for at least 60 seconds (scrub for 2-3 minutes if the spot is a tough one). Scrub it with next to no moisture in the pad (practically zero moisture). So you're scrubbing the daylights out of that spot with MINIMAL moisture. I will normally scrub a circle around the spot with the Cimex first, leaving the spot bone dry. Then I'll run the machine over a section of dry carpet for a few seconds to dry out the pads. Then without squeezing the solution valve, I'll criss-cross over the spot for a minute or more as outlined above. The only moisture is coming from what gets picked up from the perimeter of the spill stain.

2. Next: Spray a few good mists of concentrated Releasit Encap-Clean DS2 onto the area using a trigger sprayer. The concentrate is mixed 1:3 if you're using Encap-Clean DS2.

3. Final Step: Work the concentrated Releasit down into the fiber by running the machine back across the spot one last time.

This process works perfectly just about 100% of the time, if it is performed to the letter. You've got to scrub intensely with minimal moisture first. Then apply the concentrated Releasit. Then work the concentrated Releasit down into the fiber. The fluoro-chemical retards the wicking process during drying, and the concentrated polymer crystallizes any spill residue remaining at the base of the carpet. BaddaBing-BaddaBoom the recurring spot is gone for good. Even if the carpet is cleaned later with HWE, the spot won't reappear. Follow this little trick carefully, and prepare to be amazed.​

 

[ruff]

How does one prepare to be amazed?

 

[Desk Jockey]

Well I don't know bout you but I prepare myself to be overwhelmed by .

Not under, not just whelmed, but over. Uhhh "over" not "Ofer".

 

[Mikey P]

How does one prepare to be amazed?

*

 

[ruff]

Was it preparing to be amazed?
Sure looks like it. But I don't know what Rick had in mind. Sometimes it's hard to know with these obscure manufacturers.